Show Low approves $56.85 million Xolo Sports and Event Center schematic design unanimously

Mhm. [music] Mhm. [music] Mhm. [music] I'd call this meeting the Show Low City Council to order. Show that all council members are present. Tonight I've asked Councilman Adams to lead us in the invocation followed by the pledge by Councilman Hatch. If you'd all like to stand and join us, you may do so. Father in heaven, we humbly come before this evening. We are so grateful that we have the opportunity to come together as a as a council and as a community and to talk about our beautiful area.

We pray that thy spirit may be here as we over the needs of our community. Father, we are grateful for our staff and the hard work and the sacrifice they make to make our community look so good and so thankful for their hard work. We humbly pray, Father, for moisture. Pray for rain that we our forest can receive the rain that they need, the moisture they need to help us in our fire season.

And we ask for thy spirit to be here and we ask for thy blessings and we say these things in the name of our savior, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. [clears throat] Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Councilman Hatch and Councilman [clears throat] Adams. Next item on the agenda is call to the public.

City attorney. Thank you, Mayor. We actually do not have anybody requesting to speak tonight. Very good. We'll move over on to special events, presentation by the Navajo County Sheriff's Office. Chief Deputy Moffett. What about What about your sidekick? Um Royal sport, so Good evening. Um Is that project Oh, it's there. So, sorry. You're a little quicker than me.

Randy Moffitt with the Navajo County Sheriff's Office filling in for David Klaus who is currently in Cancun, which seems a little bit unfair right now, but uh so, just want to talk a little bit about what we've been up to at the Sheriff's Office. Kind of want to give you um uh a really 10,000 ft level of how everything's going at the Sheriff's Office and then at the end we'll just open it up for questions.

[gasps] Uh we always need to talk about our dispatch center and this is one place where we've been presenting throughout the county and we knock on wood every time we talk about our dispatch center cuz we have fully staffed and those individuals that work in our dispatch center are doing an incredible job. As we know, last week was uh dispatch recognition week. Our dispatchers have answered 15,000 dispatch events, uh 34,000 total calls, 18,000 911 calls, and then 8,710 traffic stops.

We have nine telecommunicators, two supervisors, and one dispatch manager. Her name is uh Caitlyn and she's doing an incredible job. She's been with us for a long time. Um and I say that because I remember like her first day when she started and she's just doing a remarkable job, so. Um the criminal investigations unit uh this is the bad part. We have had six homicides in the last year that our our criminal investigations unit has done.

The most uh recent was the Michael Abbate case, which was both up in Pinetop and also in El Centro, California. And our our deputies are supervisors, um they spent a ton of time over in California to make sure that that individual came back and is facing our charges. He's currently in our county jail.

And uh we have one lieutenant, one sergeant, and three detectives, and they were working non-stop night and day along with the MCAT task force and I've never worked an investigation where you have to go to another state and then you have to get all the warrants um validated in that state, and that was a lot of work, just a ton of work. I think the last time we counted we're up to like 42 search warrants on that case alone. So, it's just a ton of work. So.

And then our partnership with the SRT team, um we as you know, we have a huge presence with the Sholo Police Department. It is a great um opportunity to work together. The only thing that we changed last month was we actually added three tactical medics to our SRT team.

That's going to give us the ability to keep not only our officers safer when they're doing these types of work, this type of work, but also the opportunity to provide medical assistance to individuals who may get harmed by the SRT team because of the unlawful events that they are committing. So, it's really it's really neat and it it just makes absolute sense to have them on the team. So, this is uh a lot of people aren't aware we have an aviation unit with the sheriff's office.

We have a fixed-wing airplane. We have about six pilots that are volunteers that fly us all over the state. We use that a lot for our prisoner extraditions to save the county money and go get those individuals and fly them back. We also have a helicopter um Commander Wiley is in is responsible for air aviation unit. And then we're super blessed. We have a deputy who's a pilot. And that's just an incredible thing. So, he jumps in that helicopter and he can get it up.

We had a recent call 2 weeks ago, about 3 weeks ago, of an individual who decided to create an act of violence and he fired a bunch of shots at individuals. Then he took off in the forest. That would have been a really lengthy operation for us to find that individual. Uh based on where he went, he drove up in Apache County. We had our helicopter up within 20 minutes. Uh we gave them the coordinates. Uh they flew out there. I mean, we're talking 20 minutes from the hangar up in the air.

They flew out there. They located the suspect within 7 minutes and then they just circled the subject and then drove our deputies right up into him. So, um he I I just couldn't believe it. I was shocked that we put the helicopter up and it was down before we could even really recognize that it was up there. They're like, "We got him.

He's right here and bring the units in." That helicopter is uh truly going to save a tremendous amount of lives as it as more people find out that we have it and the more opportunities to use it. It's just truly a valuable tool. And then for those that don't know, I have a long history with MCAT, um our drug task force. We're in a rebuilding phase um with the partnership with Show Low Police Department. I just want to kind of talk about some of the work that they've done.

Um currently we have one lieutenant. Um she's running both criminal investigations and MCAT. We have two K9 handlers, one detective, and then one detention detective. I would love to tell you that this is the biggest unit we have. It's really been stripped because everybody promoted. And that's what we want. We want people to promote within the sheriff's office. Uh current drug seizures, you can see the this drug seizures up there, 2025. Methamphetamine, 347 lb.

Uh as opposed to 622 lb the previous year. Um that's directly related to things that are happening down at the Southwest border. And then the biggest thing that I like to point out is the fentanyl pills. Um the year before we had over a million fentanyl pills, and this year um we have about half a million fentanyl pills. Uh that's a huge victory. That's a huge victory to not have people um overdosing and dying on those pills.

So, um proactive enforcement successes, physical arrest 213, year before 228. Uh agency assists, we frequently take our K9s up on I-40. They're always assisting the Department of Public Safety. And then uh 402 the year before 259. So, we're just kind of slowing down a little bit. Plus, um I will tell you these drug traffickers are changing their techniques yet once again. Um they're going to deeper engine compartments, which takes a little bit more time to find.

Before it was kind of like shooting fish in a barrel. It was in the backseat of the car. It's pretty easy to find. Um but now they've changed their things around. Search warrants, uh 49 for last year, uh 13 on vehicles, and then 10 residential search warrant. And there's just another graphic of what we're doing with our arrests. Um agency assists, we kind of just covered that. Um a lot of it is with DPS and then our criminal investigations unit. We work hand-in-hand.

And then we also work um hand-in-hand with Shawnee Police Department when they need assistance as well. So. And this is this one really stuck out to us. It's uh it's a lot of a lot of information, but realistically, we have a de- uh deputy working for us. His name is Jordan Smith. He's a really hard-working young man. Um he conducted a traffic stop on I-40. He knew something wasn't right. He kept digging and kept kept looking and kept searching.

Um he located a 13-year-old girl that was being smuggled in the backseat of that vehicle. And so, a lot of people associate um Interstate 40 with, you know, it's a drug smuggling corridor. That it is, but we also we're out there to investigate all crimes that are going across Navajo County and through I-40. So, this was really significant to remove that gal, that young lady, get her back to her parents, and then the subject was um welcomed to face criminal charges for what he had done.

So, um there's this one of our drug loads. It's 34 lb of meth with an estimated street value of about $618,000. And this is a slide that I'm really proud of. And when when the sheriff had asked me to put this slide together, the first place I went was to our our Navajo County jail, because I wanted to talk about what we're doing and how we're we're not just incarcerating people.

Um that's a simple thing when everybody associates a jail, they're like, "Oh, they just put them there." Uh we've never had 18 nurses on our jail staff before. Uh they get services all the time. We were in the jail the other day, the sheriff and I. There was a line of inmates um that were sitting there. They were thrilled to death to be in medical. They were like, "Look at the services we're getting." And we sat there and talked to them for a little bit. We have a mental health coordinator.

We have a behavioral health technician. We have a nurse practitioner. Uh we have counselors. And then the other thing that we're doing is we recognize that there was a very large fentanyl crisis. And rather than just bringing somebody in and beating them down and going, "Yep, um you're addicted to an opioid." We use opioid use disorder. Um we have that available for the inmates. We're currently treating 16 inmates. We have capacity for 60 or 72 inmates.

So, there's a lot of things going on uh in the Navajo County jail that people are just completely unaware of. Um this is some of our new technology that we have. I promise you um that photo on the right is a stock photo from the internet and that's not one of the individuals that we we body scan. Um we do have a body scanner. Uh we thought quite frankly this was going to be a great tool for reducing contraband in the jail. It's incredible for that.

But what we didn't realize when we got that body scanner was our medical staff is actually using it to notice things that are happening with individuals who are incarcerated and they're getting them services and medical treatment which we didn't know that was going to happen, but they're looking at them and going "Oh yeah, there's a lot of things going on with this individual and we should offer them some some services." So with that being said, I will tell you I am not David Klaus.

He's a little taller. Um but I would be open to any questions with what we're doing in Navajo County. Thank you guys for what you do. I I I can tell you I I don't understand how come these drug dealers don't stay out of Navajo County. But you cut fentanyl in almost in half. That's incredible in just a year. So um we can't thank you guys enough. I know a lot of this I know I think a lot of it is on I-40. I think that's what you said, but I'm sure a lot of it's in this our community here too.

So anybody got any questions or Um Thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it. Wiley is it your turn now? Oh, you're done? You don't want to talk Wiley? Thank you guys very much. Appreciate it. Next item on the agenda is for te presentation regarding wild mitigation. Unfortunately, um our APS advisor won't be here, so we're going to postpone that one. So we'll move on to the consent calendar where we'll do a proclamation by the mayor proclaiming May 1st, 2026 as Loyalty Day.

Proclaiming by the mayor or proclamation by the mayor proclaiming April 19th through the 25th as National Library Week. And they're all here. That's incredible. That's awesome. Um proclaim proclaiming I'm sorry. By the mayor a proclamation by the mayor proclaiming April 24th as Arbor Day. Consideration of resolution number R 2026-11 11 granting water service connection. Consideration of acceptance of NPC waterline project. Consideration of approval of agreement with CNP Technologies.

I have a few more here. Consideration of the minutes of the Show Low City Council meetings the study session April 7th 6:00 p.m. and then study session again on April 7th at 6:30 regular meeting on April 7th, 2026. Entertain a motion. Make a motion to approve the consent calendar. Got a motion. Got a second by Councilman Judd. All those in favor? All those opposed motion passed unanimously. I can have city clerk read the first proclamation, please. Thank you, mayor.

Uh whereas in 1958 the United States Congress Congress does designated the 1st of May of every year as Loyalty Day. And whereas Loyalty Day was established as a day for reaffirming our loyalty to the United States and the documents upon which our nation was founded.

And whereas Loyalty Day provides the opportunity to celebrate the many freedoms secured and preserved for all citizens by the brave patriots who have served in our nation's armed forces and risked their lives for liberty and independence. And whereas there continues to exist in the world today hostile forces that are dedicated to destroying our way of life in America.

And whereas it is fitting that the citizens of the city of Show Low take time to reflect on the privileges of democracy and liberty extended to us by the institutions of American freedom. Now therefore, John Leech Jr., Mayor, on behalf of the Shiloh City Council, proudly joins the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post number 9907 in proclaiming May 1st, 2026 as Loyalty Day in the City of Shiloh and invites the citizens of the Shiloh to observe Loyalty Day. Thank you. You'd like to come on up. Okay.

Thank you, Mayor. Um the next proclamation um is National Library Week. Whereas libraries are not just about what we have for people, but what we do for and with people. Whereas libraries have long served as trusted and treasured in institutions and library workers and librarians fuel efforts to better their communities, campuses, and schools.

Whereas librarians continue to fulfill their role in leveling the playing field for all who seek information and access to technologies, especially as our society is at a critical juncture regarding the changing information landscape and the skills needed to thrive in our digital world. Whereas libraries and librarians open up a world of possibilities through innovative STEAM programming, maker spaces, job seeking resources, and the power of reading.

Whereas libraries and librarians are looking beyond their traditional roles and providing more opportunities for community engagement and delivering new services that connect closely with patrons needs. Whereas libraries support democracy and affect social change through their commitment to provide equitable access to information for all library users regardless of race, ethnicity, creed, ability, sexual orientation, gender identity, or social economic status.

And whereas libraries, librarians, library workers, and supporters across America are celebrating National Library Week. Now therefore John Leech Jr.

Mayor on behalf of the Shiloh City Council does hereby proclaim the week of April 19th through the 25th, 2026 as library as National Library Week in the city of Shiloh and urges all citizens to visit the library this week, explore what's new, and engage with their librarian because of our citizens and our experts in the library, libraries transform. Thank you. Appreciate that. And I I challenge anybody in here or listening, you got to come to our library.

This This staff that's right in front of us today picking up this proclamation are absolutely amazing. So, if you guys want to come on up, I'd appreciate it. Bring bring everybody. Only if you stay for the whole meeting. No, I'm joking. Thank you so much for everything you do. You guys are amazing. Great. Appreciate it. I don't think there's anybody left in Shiloh. They're standing. [laughter] Appreciate it. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys again. That's one of the busiest libraries I think I've ever seen. People standing in the door waiting for them to open, so it's amazing. Okay, next item on the agenda new business consideration of acceptance of the Arizona Game and Fish Heritage Grant funds and approval of associated budget transfers, Mrs. Adams. Good evening, Mayor and council members.

In 2025, over 350 bear complaints were received in the city, and Game and Fish predict an increase in bear activity this year. Unsecured garbage is the leading attractant drawing bears into neighborhoods, creating safety concerns, property damage, and risks to wildlife. Arizona Game and Fish made the city aware of a grant program through the Heritage funds to reduce bear encounters.

The city applied to the Arizona Game and Fish Heritage Grant program to purchase bear-resistant trash trolleys and was awarded $130,000. No matches required. The project will reduce human-bear conflicts by deploying approximately 440 certified bear-resistant containers in high-incident areas and educating residents on proper waste management. The city will collaborate with the Arizona Arizona Game and Fish and local waste services to track incidents and measure success.

Staff recommends accepting grant funding from the Arizona Game and Fish Department and approving associated associated budget budget transfers. I'm not feeling I can't get it [laughter] out. Any questions or comments? Any Anybody got any questions or comments? I think it's really cool that they have this program. I I'm just a a quick, I guess, who is going to decide Does Game and Fish know where the high activity areas are? They do.

They have data on that, and so we're going to coordinate with them and decide what which part of parts of those neighborhoods are best to put the trees. area to me, but Mhm. Councilman Adams. [clears throat] I'm going to accept the grant funds for from the Arizona Game and Fish Department and approve the associated budget. [cough and clears throat] Got a motion. Got a second by Councilman Whipple. All those in favor? All those opposed? Motion passed unanimously. Thank you. Thank you.

Next item on the agenda is consideration of award of a construction con- contract for City Campus Landscaping Phase II, City of Show Low Project Number 445-2677, Mr. Hampson. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Uh the city's 2026 physical budget includes $45,000 for a project named City Campus Landscaping. Uh this funding is allocated to improve the landscaping um at the city campus after the improvements were completed for the new recreation city recreation building.

The scope of the work includes removing rocks and debris, installing new landscaping rock, paver walkways, bushes, trees, topsoil material with sod, and a completed irrigation system to suc- sustain the improvements. Improvements are along the west side of the new recreation building and along the south side of the building as well, going towards East McNeal. The design concept was established by city staff, and bids were received as required.

Following bids are Tim's Landscaping Creations, $58,501.86, and It's Magic Incorporated, $62,369.46. The additional funding uh for the parks or will come from the parks and facilities general improvements account, and it will be utilized to cover the overage of the the bid.

Staff recommends awarding the construction contract for the City Campus Landscaping Phase 2 project, City of Shiloh project number 445-2677 to Tim's Landscape Creations in an amount not to exceed that $58,501.86 and approve the associated budget transfers. I'm here for any questions. Thank you, sir. Any questions, comments? Councilman Adams, you had a question? Just a question. I'm just really excited that we're doing that.

I noticed this the other couple months ago and I think it's going to look great. I think it's I'm excited. Good. Um I see where I see where the landscaping's going. Um [clears throat] briefly Can you describe where Is it coming from? And where are they landscaping being area? Correct. Uh there's a fit- the fitness building that has the workout equipment in in the the fitness structure. It's everything to come around the back of that building.

Um and then all up towards where the new recreation building is at, which is the shorter of the two uh long buildings at City Campus. Um there used to be two uh large globe willows there. Um they were kind of dying and they were getting aged, and so we had to take those down, and so we're kind of re- regrassing that area. We are putting back two globe willows just to start again. And some other improvements as well, so.

So, do you do any side of Um no, we stopped with that rock uh landscaping with the first phase. Um and still unsure if we're going to do any sort of other parking improvements or further landscapes at this time. Yeah. Questions? Nice, Mayor. I move to approve the construction contract for the City Campus Landscaping Phase 2 project, City of Shiloh project number 445-2677 Tim's Landscape Creations in an amount not to exceed $58,501.86. [clears throat] And approve the associated budget transfers.

Got a motion, got a second [clears throat] by Councilman Adams. All those in favor? All those opposed? Motion passed unanimously. This is your show tonight, I guess. Sorry, you're going to have to deal with me for a little bit. Consider Next item on the agenda is consideration of award of construction contract for Timothy McKay Park parking lot and walking path project, City of Show Low project number 45526117B to Surface Contracting Inc. for an amount not to exceed $718,355. Mr. Hamsaw.

Thank you. In 2022, the City Council adopted resolution R-2022-23, named the city-owned property at EPM 210-18-05B as Timothy McKay Memorial Park. Uh the park's design was completed with direction from the City Council and input from the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee. In March of '24, the city submitted a pre-application to the Arizona State Parks for Land and Water Conservation Grant or LWCF Grant to develop the Timothy McKay Memorial Park.

The City Council adopted resolution 2024-16 approving the grant application on May 21st of '24. And a notice of award uh for the LWCF Grant for a 50% match was issued in September of '25. Uh total estimated cost for the total project of the improvements is $1,735,515. For ease of bidding and construction, the project has been broken into phases. Uh the first phase involving the remodel of the existing structure on site is underway.

Uh work for the second phase includes removing and replacing the deteriorating concrete parking area with new asphalt parking lot, installing new parking lot lighting, conduit for future landscaping, retaining walls, ADA-compliant walkway paths, uh and drainage infrastructure required for the improvements. Uh the this portion of the project was designed by city engineering staff with an engineer's cost estimate of 710,000. Project was bid with the following results.

Surface Contracting Incorporated $718,335. Lehigh's Corporation $755,160. Western Grade LLC at $775,236. and 32 cents. Perkins Cinders Incorporated $818, $471.26 and McCauley Construction and Trucking LLC at $948,035. Staff recommends awarding the Timothy McKay Memorial Park building Oh, I'm sorry. Uh parking and path improvements City of Shola project 45526117B to Surface Contracting in the amount not to exceed that $718,335. Um there's some plans attached, so I'm here for any questions.

Any questions or comments? Motions? Councilman Jeff? Councilman Clark? Help me understand what the total estimate of the project was 1,700,000 and some change, and this is coming in at 700,000. Are we doing this in phases? Correct. So what is the what what does this get us, I guess? Uh the first phase was for about 220,000. That was remodel the structure to make the restrooms ADA compliant and get that building unusable. Where are we at on that? Is that done or That's almost done, wrapping up.

Uh they're just about done with that. Uh this is the the large portion. This is to add about, I think, 45 or 50 parking stalls to start an overflow parking area, and then two asphalt loops, an interior asphalt walkway loop, and then the larger outside asphalt walking loop to kind of create the the walking loops in that whole area. So this will be the drainage, the the asphalt, the parking lot lights, the parking lot striping, just to get that infrastructure in place.

Um you got three more phases coming. Uh, it'll next will be your landscape. So, it'll be your grass, your trees coming in here in the summer. Get that established. Um, next we'll work on doing a small play mound, a small little feature for kids to crawl on off the side of the path and get the ramadas up. We have three ramadas going in. And then uh finally it'll be a restroom facility um, at a different location down at the the roadway.

So, with this phase of the project is it coming in less or at what we the the total cost estimate was for this phase of it or is it Yeah, it's pretty pretty close. Yeah. That's all I have. There's also a path coming from off the deuce where we have that um, modular home or whatever you want to call it isn't It what I don't There's going to be a path a future path cuz that's going to be parking someday, too. So. Yeah. Any other questions or comments? Councilman Judd. [clears throat] Got a motion.

I'll go ahead and second that. All those in favor? All those opposed? Motion passed unanimously. How long will this take? Just curious. Uh, this I think this contract's only scheduled for 90 days. Um, and then I think we'll move into landscape right after that. Thank you. Our goal is to get that grass growing in the summertime when the rains hit. So. When will the project start? Um, we just had the the award tonight.

So, we'll get a pre-con set up in the next 2 weeks with the contractor and we'll move from there. But, usually a few weeks to a month out they'll get going. Thank you, sir. Next item on the agenda is consideration of award professional service contract to install supervisory control data equestrian equipment on Farm Brook water system station. We'll shorten that for the rest of this.

Uh, the Font Brook Booster Station is is a water booster station that enables the city to move water from the center of the city to portions in the southern areas of the city limits. Uh the booster station is currently not included in our supervisory control and data acquisition, or we call it SCADA, control system. Uh the system allows staff to monitor and fully control the facility from a computer uh rather than through manual operation.

Uh Pace Advanced Water Engineering is the is a design firm that has recently completed some SCADA upgrades within our current system. Staff contacted Pace for a proposal to make the necessary modifications to the SCADA system to include the Font Brook Booster. Uh the scope of improvements include all necessary hardware and software modifications to integrate the booster station into the city's SCADA system. Uh detailed work uh scope of work is is attached in the packet.

Staff recommends awarding the professional services contract for supervisory control and data acquisition, or SCADA, system improvements for the Font Brook Booster Station to Pace Advanced Water Engineering in an amount not to exceed that $74,983.00. Uh the scope of work is attached in the area and I'm here for any questions. Thank you, sir. Any questions, comments? Make a motion. Councilman Wofford.

I move to approve the professional services contract for supervisory control and data acquisition control system improvements for the Font Brook Booster Station to Pace Advanced Water Engineering in an amount not to exceed $74,983. Got a motion, need a second. Got a second by Councilman Adams. All those in favor? All those opposed? Motion passed unanimously.

Next item on the agenda is consideration of approv- approval of final schematic design of the Show Low Sports and Event Center and approve of budget for design development phase City of Charlotte project number FM4625. All right, at its regular meeting back in July 15th, 2025, City Council awarded pre-construction contract to Hayden's Company LLC for the Charlotte Sports and Event Center. Scope of the work of this contract is the first phase of the design-build contract for the facility.

Over the past few months, the design team has been working to finalize the schematic design of the facility. At the March 24th, 2026 City Council meeting, the schematic design of the facility and schematic design cost estimate were reviewed with City Council. Uh concerns about uh facility's cost were raised, and the design team was asked to develop options for reducing the cost of the project. Uh the Hayden Architecton and 4.0 Studio design team and I are here.

Um [clears throat] they're going to present a review of the schematic design document again, including the the schematic design cost estimate, as well as options to help reduce cost for the project. Um they were here for with their presentation, and we'll let them get started. All right. Thank [clears throat] you, Council and Mayor. I hope everyone had their afternoon coffees. There's a lot to get to, and so hopefully we can make this as concise as possible.

Um but if there's any questions that you have as we go through, please don't hesitate to ask. Um so I want to give a quick brief overview of the design team's process to date, um before we jump into the cost estimation um or cost estimation process. Um on July 15th, as Shane said, the design-build team um presented the initial design concept that was developed during the city's procurement process prior to the approval of the pre-construction contract.

The proposed design that was shown was roughly 83,500 square feet um on the the building site south of Wolford Road, and it that was an estimated uh cost at $35 million in that initial concept that was presented.

On August 5th of 2025, the design build team presented a design update to the council based on initial meetings with SFA and city staff, and that included initial discussions about critical quality components such as the gym floor, the quality of seats, scoreboards, and a various other items.

On September 16th of 2025, the design build team presented a design update to the council in coordination with the community outreach meeting prior to the council meeting, and that this meeting was based on the interim workshops and draft room data sheets that were provided by SFA. And it was noted during the council meeting that the building size was trending plus or minus 40% higher than that original concept that was presented in July. Based on the required room room configurations.

Additionally, some of the selected design elements were presented with critical cost implications not captured in the original design such as real wood floor and expanded kitchen equipment. On October 1st of 2025, the design build team presented various site locations for consideration. Site two, which is the current project site north of Wolford Road, was approved by city council.

On November 18th of 2025, the design design build team submitted the 100% programming package to city staff and began the programming estimation process. That package included the final room data sheets, the conceptual floor plan and conceptual renderings based on the updated program.

On December 9th of last year, the design build team presented that programming package to the council and that included the full updated conceptual concepts and based on city input and SFA recommendation, and that final design was roughly 118,000 square feet. On January 6th of this year, the design build team presented the full programming cost assessment based on that package that was presented during the December 9th council meeting.

The total cost assessment of the programming document was estimated at 56.44 million, and council authorized the design build team to proceed into schematic design based on that approved program design and budget. Was asked to look at a handful of budget cut options.

On February 3rd of this year, the design-build team presented to city council in coordination with a second community outreach meeting a handful of cost reduction strategies including a reduction in the overall building footprint to roughly 114,000 square feet with a total estimated savings of roughly 500,000. The design-build team also presented the first iterations of the interior design concept for the facility.

On February 24th of this year, the design-build team submitted the 100% schematic design drawings to the city staff and began the SD cost estimate process. And then on March 24th, the design-build team presented that cost estimate of the submitted schematic design package. The total estimate of the completed package was rough was estimated at 57.97 million.

The design-build team also presented up to updated interior design concepts and design-build team was asked to come back with cost reduction strategies. Um, so that lead that leads to tonight, April 21st. The design-build team intends to present the proposed cost reduction strategies with the hopes of receiving direction on some of the critical path items that are going to be presented and authorization to move into the design development phase.

So, [clears throat] we were asked to review a handful of different items to help bring the overall cost of the project down and what you see here is a comprehensive list of all the items that we looked at. To summarize, basically all of these items combined to roughly 2.2 million dollars of potential savings. All these items for better for plus or minus basically do not impact the functionality of the facility.

There are some quality reductions that are shown here, but they do not actually reduce square footage, they don't actually hinder the facility's ability to do what it was intended to do. Um, we will split them up into site, community room, lobby, and corridor, and miscellaneous building categories. And then the last one here at the bottom, you can see is what we call design clarifications.

These are items that the design team, along with uh the construction team, has already identified as um basically items that we're going to be removing from the project as they do not impact anything that is can be seen or felt by the public.

Um a few examples of those are just the thickness of the concrete slab in the gym um that we were able to reduce based on our our geotechnical report, um removal of the headlight walls on the north and east wall, and um a a removal of the interior stucco finish that we had shown on the interior lobby. So, these are items that we we already feel that we can remove without having really any sort of um major discussions as they don't really impact the any sort of aesthetics of the building.

The items in bold, and there's a letter of 11 of them on this uh reduction strategy um slide, are what we are calling critical path items. And these are [clears throat] critical path in the sense that our hope is that we will have direction on these tonight um because our our intent in terms of our overall schedule is that we intend to release the pre-engineered metal building piece of the project at the end of the design development phase, which is the next phase.

And all of the items in bold on the building side directly impact the design of that that structure. And so, for us to add or subtract those in the future is going to be very problematic and likely lead to schedule delays in the overall project. Similarly, we intend to issue an early site package um so that we can start moving dirt before the building is actually finalized and permitted.

And so, the items on the site category that are bolded are critical to keeping on that schedule with in regards to that early site package. So, we're going to jump in. Um [clears throat] again, we're going to start with the site items. Uh so, the first two are in regards to the site walls uh along the perimeter.

Um you can see on the map the items in red are the required 6-ft walls that are required for the zoning ordinance to screen the commercial development from the resident residential district. And then the items in blue or the walls in blue are uh very various heights up to 10 ft to screen the mechanical and service yard adjacent to the building.

And so cost reduction strategy number one is to take the the the walls in red that are the perimeter and go from a exposed masonry wall, which is what it's currently shown at, to a cast in place or sorry, a yeah, a precast um I'm sorry. To go to a precast wall, and you can see an example of what that wall could look like at the bottom right. I will say this is a local product and there's a lot of different design options that we can look at.

So it's more just to give you an idea of kind of what that wall will sort of look like, but we'll fine-tune the design if this uh is accepted. So cost reduction strategy one is just to do that to the 6-ft tall perimeter wall, and cost reduction number two is to do it for the walls that surround the building um for the service yard.

And the original intent, again, the way it's priced currently is that that masonry wall for both instances is was designed to match the masonry that's being used on the facility. So again, it's going from that material to this alternate wall material. Just so I understand this. So the difference 79,000 um pre-done wall or 87,000 for the site masonry, right? So the difference is Yeah, so Oh, okay. Oh, that's right. Okay. Okay. Good on that one? Yep. Okay.

The next three um are a little bit intertwined. Um it's kind of an either Um, or or I guess cuz there's three of them. But, so number three is we do have uh 16 Currently, we have 16 tree grates that are shown at our drive aisle entry plaza. Um, right now, as they are currently specified, they are what we call an acrade um grate, where basically the paver the paving goes on top of it.

So, there's basically dirt underneath the paving, and it kind of minimizes the hole that the tree grows out of, but allows for a large planting area under the paving. So, it's really designed to minimize the impact on the paving, but still maximize the health of the trees. So, going to just a standard tree grate, which you know I'm sure you've seen with just like iron work of some sort, is roughly a $46,000 savings.

Item four or five [clears throat] are If uh if you remember previous design concepts, and we'll show a um rendering to in a second, we basically treated that entry drive aisle drop-off as a flush grade element. So, basically, the meeting rooms opened up, and you walked out, and the the drive aisle was actually at the grade of the building, and it was really meant to extend that that space, and really become an extension of the building plaza, versus feeling like a true drive aisle.

Um, so basically, that area in blue, as you can see, kind of had that decorative concrete paving, and was meant to be flush with the finished grade of the of the plaza space. So, cost reduction strategy number four is to basically get rid of that and treat it like a normal con- you know, asphalt drive aisle, and drop it down with a 6-in curb. This would get get rid of the decorative bollards.

This would get rid of the um the tree grates completely, and it would be a more traditional kind of just drive aisle. Um, item number four is doing that, but still leaving a decorative paving of some sort, so there's still a change of material at that drive aisle. And number five is going to doing all that, but going to an asphalt.

So, basically, the change of material from decorative concrete to asphalt is roughly a $100,000, and then $194 is for the the reduct the basically getting rid of that at-grade plaza. So, I'll show you just a quick rendering. Um so, here on the left is kind of what the existing condition is. You can see this is the drive aisle that it can be closed off and really treated as an extension of the overall plaza spaces around the building.

And then, the reduction here, it's really treated as a true drive aisle um in option three or four. So, any questions on that cuz I know just cuz there's complexity there before I jump to the next one. Yeah, on the We talked about on the drive aisle that we could bring in food trucks and that kind of thing. Yes. Maybe. Mhm. So, number four would eliminate that option then.

So, [clears throat] there there's still going to be a pull-off area and then it's really you can't really see it on the plan. There's still going to be an area where the food trucks will be able to pull off and park along the edge of the plaza space that's going to still be remaining there no matter what.

It's just not going to be integrated like at-grade and kind of Basically, this the the initial intent would be if you were having a festival of some sort, you could block off this drive aisle and then, you know, funnel cars around the entirety of the parking lot and you'd be able to have a bunch of vendors on there.

Like you'd have a lot more outdoor market opportunities, whereas in the cost reduction strategy again, it's going to be more of just a standard drive aisle with a little bump out for food trucks. Good on that one? Okay. All right, cost reduction strategy number six. Um we have a um exterior patio space that is off of the meeting rooms. In the smash design package, we showed a fire pit and boulder elements. Um this is a rough concept of what we had envisioned for that.

So, our moving of that gets you roughly 44,000 square feet or sorry, dollars. Um it would just be replaced with standard paving in that patio space. Item number seven is the entry plaza at the front um front entrance of the building. There was also a a rough rock garden element and some cast in place benches. So, removal of those was roughly $38,000 of savings.

Item number eight, uh we had shown a concrete sidewalk connection from the main sidewalk that basically runs from Wolford along the back and connects to kind of the end entry moment. So, this area in blue was a secondary connection to a future sidewalk on the northern road. So, um obviously that road isn't built today, so um it would be roughly a $31,000 savings to just make not make that connection. Um something we can do later then. Y- yes.

I mean, we're not going to like remove that from the We're not going to take that back to parking, so it would just be landscaped landscaped area on in this project. Um and then the last site wide item is number nine, um what we're calling simplifying the back of house. Um so, currently we have two um full-size loading dock bays um that are designed to house the length of a semi.

Um so, basically we would be going to one of the one bay and it would not be a dock, it would just be a spot for a semi to park not with the at grade like ramp uh loading dock. Um we had identified an area for a future generator enclosure, we'd be getting rid of that. Um there would still be room for a generator in the future, it's just going to be within everything else.

And then lastly is we did allocate extra space for storage and work room for the future in that back of house space given that, you know, we don't necessarily know how the facility's going to grow in the next 10-15 years and what may be required for future events. So, we wanted to leave some room for, you know, storage of a conex box or something like that.

And so, this would basically be getting removed removing all of that and really make it as small as possible, and that's roughly a $73,000 savings. All right. So, now we're going to jump into the meeting rooms. There's two reduction strategies in here.

Uh the first one is in the original Smack Shack concept, you can see here on the left, we had shown a a sloped ceiling in that meeting room and a slightly elevated finish out of the ceiling material um that is still acoustically performing the way it needs to. Um obviously that is a little bit more expensive than a standard ACT tile, which is kind of what you have in this room here. So, going from that decorative ceiling to a standard ACT tile is a roughly $96,000 savings.

This would still keep the ceiling slope to follow the roof, so there still would be visual interest in that room. Um it was really just a change in the material. Whereas item number 11 is to remove the slope in that ceiling, um which brings it down to basically 16 ft clear. What this does is it makes the divisible walls in the room this all the same height versus two different heights. And what it also does is it removes all the glass basically above the ceiling height.

So, here you can see that north elevation. In the original scheme, that glass went basically from floor to from roof structure. In the new scheme, it would just go from the floor to that 16-ft level. And so, that savings is 40 is $58,000. What I'm showing here in this this um rendering here is is both number 10 and 11 accepted, so it's been flattened out and the material has been changed. Um it they don't have they don't have to go together.

You could just flatten out, but keep the specialty material, or you could do both, so it's it's there's kind of a mix of three different things there. Any questions in the meeting room? Okay. So now we get to the lobby and corridor. Um this one is um a little complicated because obviously in one space we have what is essentially eight different potential items. And so obviously it's hard to show eight different combinations, you know, 64 different combinations essentially of what this could be.

So what we've done is we've basically split the renderings into better or to good, better, best, right? So best would be what we had shown previous previously in our full schematic design package. Better would be a reduction of two of these items which we feel are relatively acceptable to cut without sacrificing too much of the quality of the that space. And then good is cutting the rest of the items that we'll go through.

And while this does still function as a lobby and corridor, it definitely takes you know, all of the pizzazz, so to speak, out of that space. And so the better option, again, is a $145,000 savings. And the good option is $766,000. And it and it it'll be broken out by item as we go through. So starting with the better option. So here, [clears throat] just to kind of orient everyone, this is the front front door vestibule. This is the main lobby space.

And this is the main corridor space that feeds all the restrooms, the secondary exit to the gym, and then obviously the ex- access to the meeting rooms. So cost reduction strategy number 12 is we had shown in the schematic design package all of the walls on the north end of the bathrooms to have a metal panel above 12 ft.

So removing that and going to just a standard paint and drywall would be a roughly $92,000 And number 13, uh cost reduction strategy number 13, is we have these four por- portal, what we're calling portal moments. One is the entry vestibule, one is the fireplace, and the other two are the concession moments. In the initial schematic design package, we showed a decorative metal panel above each of those, which will res- show you this in a second.

It's basically getting rid of rid of that and going to just a standard painted drywall. Again, that's a $53,000 savings. So, um here on the left, you can see the original schematic design renderings that were presented last time. So, here you can see on this this image specifically, those that decorative metal panel over the entry portal and the concession portal is removed and replaced with painted drywall in this rendering.

Here you can see, so again, this is now looking from basically the front door at the gym, kind of interest to the gym. We showed the metal panel uh in in between each of the structural bays. And in the this concept, uh keynote 12 here is removal of that and just going to a painted drywall finish. As we move down the corridor, again, this this wall here on the right is that same gym wall. So, our removal of all the metal panel above 12 ft. Or sorry, I guess it's about 8 ft. My apologies.

Um but just going to a standard painted drywall. And lastly, that same corridor coming from the other way. So, gym walls on the left, metal panel removed, painted drywall instead. So, now we'll get into the good version. Um so, item number 14, which is not visible on the plan, is we are showing um metal panel ceilings in that space. Um these both hide kind of the um the inherent structure of the building and the insulation, all the mechanical, it'll it's going to hide all that stuff.

It does also have an acoustical benefit in the lobby space. Um but removing that um would be roughly $170,000 savings. Um we have some wall tile in that corridor, um which is number 15. So, removing that is $7,000. Uh number 16 is removal of the fireplace moment that we had in the lobby. That was roughly a $61,000 line item. And then item 17 is the bars in red are we identified as masonry. So, this would be both exposed on the inside and the outside.

So, going to just a standard metal panel on the outside, drywall on the inside. That was a $30,000 savings. Continuing along, number 18 [clears throat] is along in the corridor, again all of the red on this image going from what we had shown as masonry that matches the outside of the building um all in the meeting room volume. Basically matching that is what the original intent was. So, removing the masonry on the inside only and going to drywall is $153,000 savings.

Number 19 is we are showing um vestibules um kind of double double door vestibules into the meeting room. Provides sound isolation, a little bit of of a buffer into the between the corridor and the meeting room. So, removal of those is roughly $29,000. And then finally, in the two portal moments that we have into the gym from the lobby here and here, um we're showing a decorative wood wall and ceiling treatment.

So, removing that and just going to a painted drywall is roughly $171,000 of savings. So, if you took out um vestibules, what would you put in its place? It'd just be open? It would just be open, yeah. Yeah. And that's the meeting room over here, right? Correct. Yeah. Okay, so now we're going to go through those same four views but in the good version.

And again, the good version is the two items that we talked about before, the metal wall panels being removed and then the um metal panel over the um the portals as well as the other six items I just touched on. So, here in this version, the only new thing that is shown is the wood portal that's over the gym entry is removed. Again, the metal panel is also removed like previously.

In this one here, you can see that metal seat suspended ceiling has been removed and you just see the exposed insulation. Again, the masonry in the lobby is removed. That's item 17. The metal panel over the entry portal and the concession is removed. That's 13. And then the interior masonry on the meeting room walls number 18 is removed. Down the corridor, again, you have the metal panel removed on the gym side. You also have the wood um paneling removed at the entry number 20.

The wall tile number 15 removed. All the masonry on the meeting room side number 18 removed and the ceiling treatments number 14 removed. Last image of the corridor. Again, masonry removed on the right-hand side of the meeting rooms. Suspended ceiling number 14 removed. Metal panel number 12 removed and tile removed number 15. And so because I know those were a little bit small, we're going to run through those same views again. Again, just the views going from better or sorry, best better good.

Um again, I'm not I did the keynotes aren't on here just to kind of show the different variations. So again, this is the view from the entry vestibule looking at the gym in the in the current budget schematic design budget. Here is the better version with the wall metal wall panels removed. And then the good version with the wood paneling and masonry removed as well. Um so now we're looking from the gym entry at the entry vestibule. This is the schematic design um bud budgeted best version.

Better with the removal of the metal panel over the portals. And the good version all the ceiling treatments removed. Interior masonry metal panel removed. Um and then in the corridor, again, gym to the right, meeting rooms to the left. Best version is what's shown here. Better, metal panel removed on the gym side. And good, masonry removed, metal panel ceiling removed. Last one for the for the for this section is best with the meeting rooms on the right, gym on the left.

Better, metal panel removed on the gym. And good, all the masonry removed on the meeting room side and the ceiling soffit removed as well. Any questions on the lobby corridor before we jump into the last section? Uh so, when we remove the paneling on the roof, the insulation's going to be exposed. I just try It's hard to tell on that. What's that going to look like? That So, this [clears throat] is No. Um so, it's it's it's a liner panel.

It's basically an acrylic or vinyl like white piece of plastic. The What you're seeing in this rendering, let's see which one shows it the best. I'll be this one. Is probably the closest representation of what it's going to what it's going to look like. The thing that you're not seeing in here is there's all sorts of secondary structural members that tie the the structure What you're seeing in black is the structural members of the building.

So, there's a bunch of secondary structural members that have cross bracing um that are tied to the main roof structure. There's obviously a bunch of ductwork that's going to be running through here um that's basically moving from the gym over to the meeting rooms. Um again, we can be selective with it and make it, you know, as nice as possible, but that all that stuff's going to be visible. And that insulation is again, it comes in two colors. It's white or black.

So we are limited with our options on that. That's my house. I guess I'm having a little bit of issue with this. I just I just don't like the way the others look. I don't like the drywall. Uh It's kind of You can say cheap. [laughter] I guess I still I kind of like the way you originally had it. [clears throat] Well, we can talk about that. Let him finish and we'll come back to that. Okay, good. All right, almost through. Um okay, so item 21 and item 22 um are again either or options.

Um so we do have regardless of the masonry on the inside, whether that stays or goes, um we do have masonry on the exterior of the meeting room um space which is we we are intending to keep on the ex- on the exterior at least. Um we did show a high quality masonry finish. Um that's both a high it's a little bit higher quality color and a higher quality like honed finish. So cost reduction strategy number 21 is to keep um the same honed finish which again is essentially a ground masonry.

Um so keep that same finish but go to a cheaper color and you can see here again images are not great for these types of materials but you can see it's a relatively close color match. So just by doing that we're able to save roughly $49,000. And then the next step will like on top of that would be to change the color but also go to just a more standard finish which is not the honed um not the ground face and that's a $98,000 savings.

Item 23 um so this is the south elevation so this is on Wolford Road. All of the striped metal panels that we were showing here you can see highlighted in blue. There're all There are also a couple that wrap on the north and south, but most of them here are on the Sorry, east and west. But, most of them here are here on the south. Um we were showing basically a three-color scheme with a decorative metal panel profile.

Um we feel that because this side is at You You're not really interacting with it. You're only seeing it from the road. We can use a standard metal panel profile that's cheaper, but still maintain the the three-color scheme three-way color scheme um without really impacting the aesthetic of the building cuz again, you're not really interacting with it up close on that side. That's a roughly $35,000 savings. And then, item 24 um is we do show a clear story in the gym.

So, that's on the north side of the building that allows the natural light to be brought in. Um so, removing it completely is roughly a $165,000 savings. So, you can see kind of the before and after. Um the one thing I will point out is because of the way we're approaching our mechanical, we will have to cut some of the bays of the clear story um regardless. So, that will reduce a little bit of that number, but again, then we still still have to frame it.

Um but just I just wanted to point that out that some of the structural bays may not have the full clear story as it's shown here on the left. So, this this cost saving is basically to get rid of it completely.

And then, before we jump to the final slide, I do want to um bring back the potential ads that we have discussed cuz again, there were a handful of items that have been thrown out over the course of this project that are not included in the SD budget, and we just want to again make sure that those are in the back of everyone's mind as we move forward. Um again, what we have here is the drop-down volleyball nets. Again, our current design is based on ground-mounted portable volleyball nets.

That's a roughly $251,000 add. Um upgraded PA system, $55,000. Uh the drop down curtain in the gym 260,000. And then two different tiers of acoustical improvements in the gym. One for tournament grade, what we're calling, and one for performance grade. Again, either 300 or 1.1 million. So again, technically all these could add to a 1.6 million dollar add if they are all accepted.

Again, we're just trying to keep those in front of everyone so that we understand that some of these decisions will be made. Uh, the item on here that we will have to get direction on ideally tonight is the drop down volleyball nets as that really does impact the structure, um, moving forward. So, to recap, again, this is the last item in the presentation. I'm I'm obviously going to go back as you ask questions, but our total SD estimate was 57.97 million dollars.

We've shown potentially up to 2.2 million dollars of savings without impacting the functionality of the building. Um, again, we have also identified the 1.6 million of potential adds. And the items here, there's uh, 11 critical path reduction items and one critical path additional item. Um, that we're hoping to get feedback and direction on. Um, again, we've already accepted the 332,000 of um, items that we that we're calling design clarification.

And so again, our hope is that we can go through these, at least go through these and get direction on these. Obviously, if there's feedback on the other ones, that's great, too. Um, but these are those critical path items. And then obviously hopefully be able to move into the design development phase after that. And we created a little tablet thing so we can keep track of the numbers as we uh, Flag. Wow. Hi. So, are you going to start over? Yeah. [laughter] That was pretty much our intent.

So, I think we'll just go just go back and start going through these. We'll have some discussion about pros and cons about keeping or Definitely. Um I think that was kind of the goal is just to get the feedback from you guys. So, let me just pull up this chart so we can keep track as we [snorts] All right. So, starting over. [laughter] Um so, the first two was uh regarding the wall finish at the side walls. Um item one was just at the 6-ft perimeter fence adjacent residential.

Item two was around the buildings uh back of house area. I don't mind the alternate wall material if you can change it to it doesn't look like stamped concrete. You said there was other Yes. I mean, it is stamped concrete. Just [laughter] Yeah, but you I've seen stamped concrete where it looks like a Yeah. Some of them are colored. It can be painted afterwards. Just a little bit of a difference. Yeah. So, the again, I'm trying to just give as much information as possible.

I think for us, number one is kind of a no-brainer because it's away from everything. I think the real discussion is item number two because we do have masonry on the building and this is going to be right next to it. Um and just kind of the feel making it feel like it's not a separate tacked-on element versus integrated with the building architecture. So, it's going to look So, and again, the neither of these are critical path items. They're items that we can leave as future discussions.

I think from again, from our perspective, item number one makes sense regardless. And if we want to leave number two open, that's fine. I just want to throw that out there. So, if you were looking at that area in two, you're going to see that that exposed or whatever precast and then in the background you're going to see the building, right? Is that correct? Yeah, correct. Yes, yes. See block and then that. Right. I don't like that at all. All righty. Needs to be block.

Needs to match the building. So we're down 79. So one start with one for now. Yeah, I think you can go block on that. So sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. We choose block. All right. We'll go one on the So I accept number one. Yeah. But not accept two. Right? So you didn't Well, it I'm where I'm confused is number two is around the building which is the original Oh, I see. Never mind. So if we use this the masonry, [snorts] it goes around number two as well, right?

Both Both were planned to be the original wall material, the masonry. Right. And option one is to switch to the precast on just the site wall. And then option two is to also switch to the precast right next to the building. I don't want the precast I don't like the precast. I'm okay with one saying we'll do precast on two. Well, I think that's what I was trying to say. I just confused myself with one and two.

Mayor, you're okay like if somebody pulls up and is parking in between one and two, one may look like a precast and two would be masonry brick. No, that's what I'm saying. I think they both need to match. Yeah, okay. That's what I thought you were saying. Okay. That makes sense? I have a headache now. So by by not matching them, it's going to cost us that $79,000 savings is going to be gone by having it all be the masonry matching.

But it will save us $79,000 by making number one the precast and number two matching area number two matching the building. Right. Yes. Right. So, you know, the one one's along the side of the the property line kind of out of the way. You're turning and looking at the building. It's kind of more of the uh how they broke them into two phases two to look at. So, we'll just go through these and you guys say um yes, accept the cost savings or do not accept the cost savings. Boom forward.

So, with one Yes, accept. Yes. One. I don't think so. This is what is And we'll do a big one. I think he's trying to work through it to give you So, he's going to keep track of it on the computer there and at the end we'll be able to say how much cost savings. Do this uh for now, let's not entertain that yet. Uh just have that as an idea. All right. Uh so, again, this one is one of the two kind of intertwined ones. This is regard to the entry plaza.

Um so, number three is just changing out the tree grate spec spec. And then number four and five are getting rid of the at-grade plaza element. Um so, I guess starting there is keeping that grade plaza element or not and then we can decide four or five after that. Go back to the Can you show us the pictures of what it looks like? Essentially, uh the alternate would be actually just create an asphalt drive aisle drop-off aisle with curbing. Um it'll be your through aisle.

Uh I believe their their original concept was more of a raised. It's all um colored different. like a waste of a lot of space. To be honest. I like the drive up thing and I like the idea of blocking it off for outside events. So, I I I I kind of like this alternative drive aisle concept. For sure. I agree with him. Yeah, I like that. So, four would be to keep some sorts of decorative material?

Yeah, so four would still be a change in material in that area so that it still felt a little bit more in in integrated with the plaza space and five a true does asphalt. Yeah. Just going with the asphalt in the curves. with five. Kind of four, too. Do we have a picture of what it would look like? So, it's this is actually number five here with the asphalt. Um in number four, whatever material we end up doing over here, you can see my cursor, right? Yes. Yes.

So, basically number four, whatever paving this ends up being would be carried into the drive aisle, whereas number five, which is shown here, is it just a standard asphalt drive aisle. I like five. Yeah, I like that, too. Okay. I'm showing [clears throat] number five. Okay. So, except five. Thumbs up. Yep. Okay. All right. Five. And as Yep. Hey, this is a big decision when you get headaches [laughter] up here. We got it. We're slow, we're going to take our time.

[snorts] You got to get a lot of people that agree. I totally agree with the moving and all that. Yeah, I think these were just uh some aesthetic components from the landscape architect or things like that. with that five or six years. Sounds good. Okay. Okay. And and something moving forward, too, is maybe we could stub some condo so we wanted to add some sort of plumbing for a future fire feature or electrical or what a water feature like a fountain. You can always plan for that in the future.

Okay. Thumbs up. Six. Thumbs up. Seven. Yeah, we can definitely I mean, yeah, I'm not speaking for everybody. Number eight is the reduction of that sidewalk connection. add later. Okay. And number five is a simplification of the back of house. And this is a critical path item. This is the loading dock, right? Yep. So, would we we would have no loading docks? Is that what you said earlier? So, there would be one parking space for a semi, not a No longer a grade Correct. Yes.

I've never put on an event with a needed a loading dock. It's a concert. I don't know. So, it somebody's coming in and putting a stage and everything in. And uh And what? You just volunteered to forklift it. Don't most semis have a Tommy lift? I can drive a lot of forklifts for 75 grand. [laughter] And And while we were talking, we were we're hoping to get SFA on the phone. Uh the consultant as well. Are you present? Uh yes, we are. Awesome.

Would you mind just touching a little bit on the on the removing that loading dock, the potential of that? Um as possibility. [clears throat] Yeah, the the events that would will affect will be the ones that are staging music. If you're if the which we are not forecasting a ton of, but if uh music acts that are going to have cuz all the rigging will be from bottom up, it will be a deterrent if they're going to have to hand unload or not have a loading dock um in order to be able to unload those.

So, we do not think those events are uh hugely effective to the pro forma. Um not forecasting a lot of those, but they would be harder to get and attract without a loading dock. Was there an option for one loading dock? So, we again it's it's tough cuz there's like so many different pieces to this. We basically approach it of we're getting rid of one of the loading docks. Oh, that's right. Flattening it out, removal of generator enclosure, and removal of kind of future workspace in that area.

So, again it's going to be very tight. You're not going to have room I know I know at one point we talked about potentially doing like an outdoor cooler for the if the kitchen needed more space that all the room for that type of stuff would be gone. And And if all of this is accepted, again we could split the difference so to speak and get just keep everything but get rid of the one of the loading docks. You know, we could kind of massage that again.

I I can't say what that cost savings would be, but um I I look at that all I mean A, B, C, and D and I I I think we I like having a loading dock there at grade cuz I think I agree go around a four figure that out. The generator enclosure that be something we can do later, isn't it? Even if I mean there's you're not taking away the room, so that that place will still be there. Um removal of extra space for store I mean to me the loading dock at grade makes more sense to me.

So, maybe the direction would be to keep a loading dock instead of having the two that go down you just shrink that to one. Yeah, I think that's what Councilman Clark was saying. Yeah. Is that So, great. Keep it at grade or no? What's the difference? one, I think. At least one. At least one. At grade or Yeah. One would be a ramp down and one would be at grade or get rid of the one at grade and just put one ramp. Is that what you Is that make sense? Cuz there's two.

[laughter] Or am I confused again? only a option for a ramp or no ramp. That's what you're saying. So, I guess there could be four different possibilities. There could be one or two docks and whether they're just a parking space or a ramp. And you can combine I think we need one ramp. One dock. Okay. drive a forklift into it or do a direct unload and it's already down the ramp. It's down. [clears throat] Does that make sense? Yes. Yeah, now you look more confused than me. No, I I got it.

You can't be more confused. It's not fair. That one's going to be hard to capture, but you can work on that one a little. Yeah, again, well, again, you're not going to get the full 74 because obviously this is but just for reference. Right. If I think if we depress the dock Okay. Okay. So, yeah, that'll be roughly $50,000 change. Okay. All right. Um reducing the meeting room ceiling spec.

So, I'm actually if I I'm going to start on number 11 because number 11 is a critical path item because it does impact, you know, the windows and all the stuff on the exterior. Um and then we'll talk about the actual finish of the ceiling. So, number 11 again, currently the ceiling slopes with the roof structure to give kind of visual interest in that space. Um and really kind of gives a grandness and kind of you know, kind of what you have in this room right here, right?

There's just kind of some visual interest. Um versus going flat and removing that piece. I don't like flat. Personally, I like the original. I like the big tall windows. I like the grand feel of it. I I don't I I like the way the roof looks. I mean, for 58,000 I don't see That's my opinion. I don't I agree. I like I like the window. I like the higher roof. Okay. So, thumbs down on 11. Okay.

So, then back to 10 is a change um from that specialty um ceiling tile spec to a more traditional ACT tile. I say save the 100,000 and go with the ceiling tiles. I agree with Councilman Noble. So, they accept a So, the alternative And $2 for the ceiling tile. So, a a standard tile is white. I mean, they can paint it, but they don't look great painted. They're They just It looks not great. So, um, I would say we need to commit to white if we're going that direction.

Um, the one thing I would say is I feel like this one could be an easy like add alternate that we would just list as our base bid could be the the ACT tile like this, and then the add alts that can be decided at a later date for the specialty finish, depending on where all the other numbers come in. They'd be be pretty easy for us to kind of keep that track that moving forward, and then make that call like when we come back for the DD approval.

Keep the slope, keep the windows, have discussion of the tiles later. Yep. We take the credit down and figure it as an alt. Yep. That work? Chris, when you're talking about the alternate, it's kind of like this, right? Yep. Yep. Okay. All right. Now, the fun one. Um, All right. So, let's we'll start with the the two better better items. They're all in quotes. Just want to put that out. Um, [clears throat] so, the corridor wall going from uh metal panel to drywall.

And just flipping through the renderings real quick. I'm just the whole and I when we first started doing this my mind was that this was going to be a sports recreation facility and when you guys brought the rendering I think back last or February is when you guys first did the rendering I think previous ones when we had received them they kind of look like there was a sports arena type of feel like you brought renderings of like the different uh food vendors and stuff like that.

So when we brought this one it just feels like to me that this is like a conference center with a basketball courts attached to it not a sports center.

Like recently I've been up in Utah and most of the communities in the Wasatch Front have a community center and there is activities in the main corridor in the the entry all of that stuff that brings the community there when there's not events being occurred like so one of the things I did not want to have happen was this building kind of sit vacant until weekends or just you know kids playing basketball it's like it seems like this just looks like and feels like when I go to a conference just a big open gathering space attached to a hotel and it doesn't give me the feel that I'm in a sports facility.

It gives me the feel that I'm in a conference center and you guys put some courts on the back of it and so I don't I don't I don't personally like that feel. I would rather have this a usable space that our citizens can use throughout the week with either exercise equipment activities something along those lines that draws in the community through the week not it sits and looks pretty for when we have activities on the weekend.

I don't know if I missed I know I've there's been very key meetings that I've been gone for work and so if that was discussed I you know update me now but I know that I I don't like the way this whole design of the front of it is. It seems like we want to do something that pulls people in. So that if I wanted if my kids at practice, I have something to do in this space instead of just it being an open space cuz it seems like you guys had like tables and stuff like that.

Like it was going to be like a work space for a conference, not uh recreation activity space for the community to be there throughout the week. And then even the multi-purpose spaces look like they were designed for you know, for conferences, not if our recreation team was going to do Zumba or yoga or Pilates or any of that kind of stuff. And so that's the feel I've gotten when I've seen this is that the whole idea of it looks like it's just a a hotel conference room with some basketball courts.

I think the whole idea behind the walking track as well is we would have people who would you know, go in if there was exercise equipment in this space, then you go in and walk the track or do you know, there's like it's it's kind of a bring everything to bring the community together there. I don't see many times when I've gone to a conference, if there's not a conference, anybody's using the conference space.

It's always just workers there vacuuming and cleaning up and it's kind of like not used unless it's specifically a conference. Well, I think that's why we went with the walking track on the second floor is to provide that opportunity Mhm. up there. But that concept was to help the event center as well. Mhm. Yeah, and and I think that the event center is is I don't I it it seems like the event center's taking over the whole building. If that makes in in the way I feel like it.

And so I don't know what other people feel, but I I do agree we we wanted the walking track, but in my mind back when this was envisioned a long time ago, it was this would be a community center as well as sports recreation economic opportunity. And and you know, the the event center would be designed to house you know, Saturday night type of things like the Youth Foundation banquet and the Elks Foundation and that or not the the Rocky Mountain Elks Foundation. Anyways.

I I must be missing that cuz I still think it's I mean, it's an event center. It's a sports and event center. I don't I don't look at it as a I don't see it as a motel. I mean I don't at all. Some of the renderings with the sheetrock and stuff kind of threw me away, but I don't I don't picture this as any kind of an attachment to a motel at all. Not a motel, I mean a hotel. Like when you when we go to the Biltmore or when we go to the you know, any of these conference centers.

To me, I'd look at something like that as a complete redesign. I'm saying when you walk into the this facility and you were walking into this the the the atrium or whatever we're calling it. It gives me the feel like I'm walking into conference center. Just my thoughts. I think with the interior better and best and in the use of uh public access, drawing the community, bringing sports teams, and I would take out all the gingerbread and clean it up real simple, real clean.

Make it as that and put the nice aesthetics inside that conference center and the separation of spaces. So, are you talking about the best of the renderings? I'm going down to good. Go down to good. Down to good. Mayor, I would agree with the good. I I feel like if we put drywall up, um our crew can can patch and paint drywall better than they can, you know, dented metal or something like that.

I would think you could go up some type of material 4 6 ft along your corridors to protect those hit points. And you And you're saying those metals come up at 12 ft? Where do you actually start? So Yes. bottom half is what? Sheetrock? Tile? So it ends tile. So in the best version, which is what we're looking at here, metal panel goes from the roof down to Sorry, to 8 ft. And then in this version, the tile is from 8 from 0.

So if if we accept the removal of the metal wall panel on the wall, it would again go to paint and drywall. But in this version, you would still have tile from 0 to 8 ft. And in the good, it goes sheetrock all the way down. Correct. Sheetrock all the way Yeah, I can give in to better, but I can't give in to good, not with that much sheetrock. Our guys will be in there every time we have an event in there. And Correct.

to be clear again, I we we we organized them into good, better, best just for ease of communicating, but again, if you if you want 12 and not 13, we that's doable, too, right? So when we get to the good version and there's eight of them, you don't need to accept all eight, right? You We will go We want to go each item by item um to make sure that each item is understood. So. So we're looking at 13 then, right? Sorry, on 12 So 12 is a thumbs up?

Removal of the metal wall panel from 8 ft to the roof? No. 13 is uh the the four portal moments. Oh, yeah. Better. So So to go up or down? better? What do you mean? These two are saying I'm saying drywall. I'd say good, too. I or the I'm fine with what Derek and Gentry are saying. I and I think the mayor does have a point with the the tile going up, but I would say drywall and not the the metal cheating [clears throat] or Yeah, I'm good. That's all right.

I mean, go to tile to 8 ft and then drywall up. Okay. So, we're going to accept number 12. We're all saying kind of Yeah, I'm good with that. Okay. Which is better? Yeah, so we need So, just for the rest of it, we probably need to take the better, good, best out of the conversation cuz now we're talking about individual components of each of those schemes. I think everybody's saying tile 8 ft and then sheetrock up. Okay. So, thumbs up on 12. Makes sense. Okay. I'll accept 12. Yep. All right.

13 is removal of the of the decorative metal panel that sits above the two concession stands, the fireplace, and the entry vestibule. Okay. Thumbs up. Good. All right. All right. [clears throat] Number 14 is a removal of the suspended metal panel ceiling. So, I'm I'm hesitant to have uh Everything exposed. exposed I think exposed ductwork doesn't seem good. Not a good idea. When you say exposed ductwork, in between the two spaces, you're talking about the big pipes, right? Run the air. Yes.

Yeah. All the way up to the top of the ceiling. Yeah, I mean, again, we're going to have conduit, electrical conduit, sprinkler pipes. Again, the insulation that we that is used in a pre-engineered metal building is is not aesthetically pleasing. Like, it just isn't. I mean, it's high up, so again, it's probably not the end of the world. Um and again, I just I do want to reiterate that per our acoustical analysis, that ceiling treatment is really important for that space.

Um, and so if we, depending on what we do elsewhere in the building, right? It it we kind of have to just keep that in mind, too. So. So, what would you do if we didn't put a roof there? Would you just paint it black or everything black? No, it would be the exposed insulation. See that. scrim material. Like [clears throat and snorts] plastic. Yeah, it's it's uh It just seems like after 10 years it's going to start falling through. Looks I don't want to see all that. No.

Yeah, that's That's where I feel like it's like you've been in the these recreation places, most of them are just they paint all of it black and they don't put all of this decorative stuff, but if you go to a conference center they put those decorative roofs. Yeah. It's like we're trying to merge two buildings in one, so. I think that's why you compromise with going with the drywall in the orders, I think you or entryways.

But I think on the ceiling, I think we need to keep that aesthetically pleasing. I don't like this finish. What was the cost on the What was that though? 170. So, because this is a critical path item, I I would ask for make sure we're everyone's on board on this one. I agree with You go back to that picture. I mean, when you show that picture, I don't see exposed ductwork. I don't see electrical. but it's It's not there yet. Yeah, I don't see it, either.

So, that's cuz that's that option is not shown in the picture. It might be in the rendering. It's showing what the insulation's going to look like, but it's not showing all of the detailed stuff that goes in the ceiling. All of team where the picture 14, that is not that there would be no material there. No, this material would be there, but on top of all that would also be all the ductwork conduits, all of the building infrastructure that has to get in there.

It's something that you see when you Yes. Those items Those items are not in any of the renderings. No, none of your duct work, your electrical conduit, none of your sprinklers, none of that is in here yet. I want to keep the the best. Cuz it's still an event center. Still it's not I mean it's still you're going to have events in there. Don't forget Does that carry through into the gymnasium? No. We're just talking the corridor. Yep, just the lot. the entry Mhm? Which one do you want?

What are you saying? So in your corridor you'd have nice ceiling on the top, but in your event center it's going to show all your duct work, I'm assuming. Correct, yeah, the duct will be exposed in the gym. The insulation center is going to be nice and clean as well. So yeah.

Yeah, and when I think it was in February when we were here when we did our first interior presentation, we talked about kind of which spaces are is where we would put the money into and right that lobby and corridor again was one of those areas we identified as critical cuz again it's where you enter the building and again the gym is still has There's a lot of just natural kind of functionality of what a gym is that's going to define how that space feels.

Um whereas again that entry and lobby space is kind of that again it's the focal point of the building as well. saying no on 14? I I I I see three or four down here. I don't know. Yeah. Keep it looking good. Okay. Okay. All right. No on 14. So number 15 is a removal of that tile that we talked about from 0 to 8 ft in the corridor. It's all right. Okay. Okay. Number 16 is removal of the fireplace element in the lobby. I think I think I I don't know if we need it. Personally.

And let me ask you this. Can we kind of plan for it? Is there You talked about plumbing from the outside planning for it. Can this be plumbed or is it structural? We're taking this Now we're taking [clears throat] we're taking the whole thing. Yeah. You do it now or I don't think we need one in the lobby then. Personally. It's going to get burned. We're going to get sued. Okay. We have insurance.

That's a marketing Or we're going to stick something up after somebody gets burned and say don't touch it. I think it's worth taking out. You think so? So thumbs up on that one. Okay. Number 17 is removal of the interior masonry. So this is just talking about these five walls on the lobby space. You have it on the outside, correct? Well, so this would be getting rid of it on the outside as well here. I think that has to stay. Do you have a picture on that one? Yes.

Um So [clears throat] So again, this we we split the masonry into the lobby masonry, which is this item, and then the corridor masonry cuz again it's kind of two different areas. So this image here, you can see these two bands. Again, it's hard to tell cuz it's kind of washed out. Um but we'd have that masonry that was exposed inside and out. Whereas here, it would just be drywall on the inside and on the outside, it would be a metal metal panel of some sort.

Instead, it should just be block inside and out. Correct. Sounds 29,000 $29,000 on a $50 million building, I don't see how that's It'll look better. [clears throat] That's again in the lobby. Yep. Is that Wilford Road on that side? Uh no. No. No. That's the parking lot. The The entrance. Keep 17 is what you're saying. I'm saying keep Yeah. Okay. Number 18 is removal of the masonry down the corridor.

So again, what we're still keeping masonry on the exterior walls, which is here of that meeting room. Um but our design intent was to basically keep that and wrap it around the inside so that that kind of meeting room and kitchen volume kind of have the same language as it on the inside and outside. Um Okay. So, this one probably shows it the best.

Um we can still kind of play with the planes of the walls there like you see in colors, um but losing the texture and uh definitely some of the durability at least. Can you go all the way up 8 ft like everywhere else and then go Um I mean, we could look at something like that um if that's desired. There's still um We'd probably want to look at something that wasn't a block. Um You're still trying to protect the wall from people running into it, banging it up, scuffing it up.

down with something and then something from there up. Like you did in the other spot. Yeah. [clears throat] Can you show us the better? Um yes. So, this is the better with the the pan drywall on the gym side which has been accepted, keeping the tile, but and keeping the ceiling. And then this one still has the masonry on that. you could do something on the other side to match that side. Not exactly, but I it just seems like 8 ft is our problem area, right? It's where everything gets damaged.

It seems like you can go from 8 ft with something and then from there up go with what's above. 2 12. I mean, yeah, what you have on number 12. How would it look if we just matched it? It's the same hallway. Correct. That's We can look at something similar. Yeah, I I again, I don't want to kind of give an answer. I don't know what the answer to that, but um Maybe is that's not the critical though. It is a critical. If we're going to do full height masonry, we need to know.

I think that I think I agree with Councilman Whipple. I think it needs to to kind of match both sides. I don't think we need that big block wall and it's all the way down, right? It's four or five Correct. It um I think we need to go up 8-ft with something really nice and then like we did on the on that other side. Okay. Um so we'll accept 18. Obviously, there's going to be an add back for whatever we end up putting on the wall, but obviously it's not going to be 153,000.

But it's not structural, right? That that side. Correct. There structural, but So the reason that it's that it's a critical item is that the the building structure has to support you know, a 20-some-foot tall masonry wall, right? It's got to brace it. And so that's why it's a critical path item. So we might not be able to change that. That might have to stay block No, it's not required for We just have to figure out metal frames or something.

If that tile was seven The reason the tile is so small is there's not that much of portals. The length of that wall has got a lot of openings. The other side. Yeah. And we've also got it down by the So Okay. It's not 30,000. So yeah, we'll we'll for now we'll leave it we'll leave that savings at 120 um just as a placeholder for what we come back with as a solution at the base. Um Number 19 is removal of the meeting room vestibules.

That doesn't make any sense cuz there were a event going on and that's wide open. That makes no sense. Take it out one set of doors. It's two sets of doors. Yeah. There's always going to be a door, but um this would be two sets of doors. So you have the walk in and walk in another one. Kind of like a sound buffer. Or like when you walk That's why I asked that question if that was removing the doors. No, it's mov- moving one set of them.

Basically, the the double the double door vestibule there is is truly there from an acoustical like to separate the space. Um again, it's not actually critical for it's really only going to be a huge issue if you have a large event happening in the hallway that's different from the event happening in the meeting room and where you want that separation, so. Just a lot of in and out. Yeah, and if there's a lot of in and out and cuz obviously the bathrooms for everyone is out in that corridor, so.

Just makes sense to keep it if you have an event over on both sides. Just doesn't seem like we'd have that many basketball and a conference. Not a conference. We already had that discussion. [laughter] A I I I don't I don't know. Is that something we have to make up tonight, all right? I mean, can you add those later? Can you add the second doors later? It's 200 bucks. Um way more. I mean, I think we should just keep it cuz I mean, we want to have events in there.

What if we have a concert in there? Oh, it's only 30,000. Let's just keep it. Yeah. I thought we I thought we were on 18. Sorry. We're on 19. [laughter] That's why I said, why not just do it? Do it. Just keep it. Yeah, so you could add the doors in the future, obviously it's going to be more money. Okay, sorry. Sorry. 20. All right. Number 20 is removal of the wood wall and ceiling paneling in the lobby from the from basically two portals in the gym, so that's this area here and this area here.

Um so here is the corridor. Again, obviously this one Actually, I can show you this. Sorry. So here is that wood element with a painted drywall um to frame the entrance in the gym. versus that where it's just a drywall opening. And then same thing at the front entry. Here you can just see the painted drywall which is wrapped down with no decorative wood element there. Could you remove the wood and put that tile in there? Match it? And I don't want to speak for everyone.

That's just my opinion, but Saving. [clears throat] Wood is kind of offsetting the look. I like the halfway up in the entry wall, but this is kind of walking into the where aesthetics with the wood looks. Yeah, that the intent of these was really to highlight the entrance the two entrances of the gym. That was a little different than the hallway. I like it better. Or go back to that. The figures again the 171. We that. So So better would get us what? Less.

So better it is you're still keeping the wood so there's no cost reduction. Um So. I think we got to keep it. That's kind of a entry to the whole I'm fine getting rid of it. What kind of wood is it? I mean are we going to have people going by scratching it with keys and destroying it? Are we better to have tile there? Again, that's just my opinion. Removal says just go with drywall at that point, right?

Yeah, I mean again, we we have to add money back, but um I think we would if we went if we wanted to look at a tile, we wouldn't want to do the same green tile. We'd want it to We want it to be We want to make those two moments special. Like that was the intent. Um Um We I would say we probably could hold this one to the few to the next phase. It's not a critical path item. Um I mean, you can even go with that tile wood. That's probably a lot cheaper than that. Looks Looks like like wood planks.

I just I agree. I think it could be something else to kind of wood You know, wood tiles or something, not just wood. So, holding it is probably a good idea. Okay. So, we're going to leave it as pending for now. Move forward. We're doing good. We're not pending a lot of stuff. See Fritz is going You guys are Okay. Um so, the next two are regarding the masonry finish. Again, they're it's either or.

Um so, number 21 is to keep the same ground-face tone finish on the exterior block that is going to be remaining. And just change to a cheaper color, um which was 49,000. And 22 is take it one step further and go to just a standard block finish. Um also in a cheaper color. Well, Yeah. There's one thing about that. I like that it's smooth. I think 22 he's saying it's just regular gray concrete. Mhm. And what Yeah, where is that one? I I don't think there's a rendering for that.

I think there's just uh the two options to kind of look at how they compare. Yeah. Shane, where is this located? So, I I yeah, I can show you the elevation while I'm finding finding this. Um it is a good point is that when you go to a standard block, um you get a lot of variation in colors, right? There's not as much control. Whereas, if you do that honed finish, because obviously they're grinding it, it's a lot more consistency.

And so, our um block is being shown Uh let's see, where was that at? Oh. Um again, this is not the rendering, but basically all of the solid walls on the meeting room uh like block, unintended, I guess, um is where that exterior block would be. And then obviously that little bit of uh masonry on the um in the lobby. So, it's it's really only that meeting room kind of mass that has a mixture of the block and glass.

Um so, I think number 21 is uh makes I mean, for sure we should accept that one, cuz again, we can basically get the same look. Um I think again, the challenge with 22 is just the the consistency that we're going to get with a standard finish, so to speak. So. And these are neither or. I think 21 needs 21. Yeah. 21. So, I'm my I guess my question is is what who who are we like who is does this like from a functionality standpoint we're going to spend $100,000?

Like what's the Who's our crowd that we're bringing up here that's going to care? Yeah. I'm going to I'm taking my kid to a basketball tournament. I don't care what the finish looks like. And and I mean, you guys may would if you think you're designing a conference center, but from a recreation standpoint, I think functionality is what people care about, not the finish.

So, I would say we go 22, because I think saving 100 grand makes more sense, cuz once the citizens see it once or twice, the awe of looking at it and going into it is not going to matter. And just to be clear that 22 the 98,000 that includes the 49,000. So it's it's it's basically an extra $50,000. That's all. Keep 21 or keep 22? I still say 21. 21. I'm with 22. I'm with Brent, 22. I'm at 22. Honey, what did you decide?

Yeah, so we we can accept 21 for sure and leave 22 as a future item cuz until I mean we're going to it's going to be blocked out of what we're going to design it the same way. Yeah, so we can hold that. We can hold 22. Brent's painted black. No, no, no before we order the block. Oh, yeah. All right, number 23 is the multi-color metal panels on the south side going from a more expensive metal profile to just a standard metal panel, but still keeping the color scheme that we had before.

I think the standard. Personally. So, yeah. Yeah. I hate windows out of there. No, I keep I'm Yeah, you keep the windows. The natural light is what people come Keep the windows. All right. So reject 24. Just a note on the windows is when you do do events like cheerleading and others, it does the wood floor causes a glare and light control is a is a factor from an event standpoint. So even though natural light is nice, light control can be very beneficial. Yeah, but we can cover those, right?

Yeah, [clears throat] there's window coverings in our budget. We don't show in detail exactly what those are, but it is shown. Yeah, I I want to look outside. It's not. Okay. Um Yes, they accepted them. Um Okay, so that those are all the reductions. Um Can we go back for a second? Yep. Number three. Is there a way to do every other panels on the top?

Yeah, and like I said, we we probably have to do that anyways because of how we're getting outside air to the mechanical units and how we're feeding the system. Um So, I'm going to guess likely that will be a that will be a reduction in this that's to some extent. Again, we haven't gotten to enough detail to know exactly what it would be, but yes, something like that is is going to happen.

Again, we still have to frame that, so there's still, you know, a cost offset for that, but likely the total clear story dollar will not be 165 at the end of it because we'll have to reduce some of it. Okay? All right. So, then to the adds, again, we're just trying to keep this as um keep everyone uh informed of where we're at. Again, I don't think any of these other than the volleyball nets have to be decided tonight.

Um we can have that discussion at a later time when we get closer to finalizing the design, but again, the drop-down volleyball nets versus the in-ground is a critical path item. So, I did a little bit of conversation with people that do volleyball and I think the labor cost for for staff and the other part that the labor for a drop down seems makes sense to me.

I know it's $250,000, but we're going to have big events in there, half the staff to take care of that and if we don't do drop down, now we got to store them and pull them in and out. So, I personally cuz I want to see events in here and we we need to make it easier for our staff and easier for the people putting I want to see the drop down volleyball nets. I agree with Mayor. [snorts] I agree. I I've made some calls too from guys that do club volleyball a lot a lot of time.

So, um so you can do the drop down volleyball and the the basketball as well. Okay. Yes. And the gym curtains, basically everything that needs to go in the ceiling and has to be busy up there, but it all works and functions. What I liked about this this sheet right here more than anything is I know the drop down is very important, but the other stuff we can add later. We can we can do all that stuff later. I know there was some structural for the the the curtain, right?

So, we we're putting the structure in for the curtain regardless. It's just a matter of whether or not you want to buy it. of this stuff we can do we can take when they start saving us more money building this, we can add some of this other stuff.

I'd say the the only one that is kind of you you you would we will want to make the decision at some point is the PA system cuz there's no point in buying the cheaper version and then doing an upgraded one cuz you'd have to do it you'd have to start over on the whole thing, so. So, we'll come to you for $55,000 savings later. [laughter] Yeah, we yeah. So. All right. So, what's our Don't tell us tonight. No, okay. [laughter] Um Mayor, I have one more question before we continue.

You mentioned the the reduction of $332,000, and part of that was reducing the thickness. How long till he's done? All right. No, you're good. Um you mentioned reducing the thickness of the gym floor. My concern is when you fill the bleachers with 4,000 people, when you have cars in there, are we asking for it if we make that thinner concrete? Is it worth in there. There won't be cars. Okay.

So, if we fill the bleachers with 4,000 people, that's So, that the the [clears throat] reason we were able to reduce it is basically the wood floor that everything is sitting on is going to be the weakest link in the system. So, designing a concrete to hold more than the wood floor can doesn't make sense, right? Cuz it's not doing anything at that point.

So, that's really what it was able to allow us to drive it down, and a little bit of the soil conditions allow us to do it in another part of the building, as well. So, it's not going to impact what you can and cannot do in the gym structurally, so. That was their reduction, not They're the ones that are I just was concerned if if we end up with cracking concrete and issues later on, if we need to just You sound like somebody that works at the school.

Yeah, we deal with broken floors all the time. Um So, in terms of the accepted items, um that is one point $1,377,081. It does not include $1,000 add for the volleyball. Um So, I guess I can do that math real quick. Yeah, but we'll get more later. What was the What is the 251. Our our positive thinking, young man. 251,000 Mhm. I mean, that's a good question. Yes, that Yeah. I've seen this before. So, it's moving. I don't know. I just got this new computer.

So, just add that number and that number. Okay. So, that puts our our current [clears throat] budget at $56,847. Sorry. $56,847,457. Sorry. Yeah. But, we've already approved it. So, that is roughly um $350,000 over what it was at programming. Councilman Clark, you had a question. Yeah, so I guess I I know at the last meeting Councilman Hatch gave a directive of 50 million. And we've done a little bit tonight.

Are we in that same mindset of reducing or is this Was this the the grandiose cut right now and now we're moving forward? So, So, what we proposed tonight is basically things that do not impact the functionality of the facility. If there are further cuts that need to be made, then we will have to have further discussions about taking elements out of the building, right? Whether it's meeting room space, kitchen room space, like all all those different things.

We're going to be cutting into the functionality of the facility beyond what we talked about tonight. So, I guess my question for the council is is that I mean, we gave a pretty clear directive last time of come back with 50 million and we came back with scratched the surface. So, are we Are we still asking for that or what are we doing now? Because this is a good start in my mind, but not end all, be all. So, I don't know how everybody else feels. So, I like the idea of a five in front of it.

I don't want to get to a six. So, I don't I don't think I heard a 50 million. I heard Gentry say it and we all kind of nodded. So, But, then again, you got to remember Gentry wasn't here at the beginning that we when we started this project, I think he he might have talked to staff in last couple days to kind of catch him up on where we're getting to this. We knew we were in the 50 million probably 2 months after that we started this process. We approved at one council meeting either or 54.

Yeah, we [clears throat] had a an approval of Correct. So million. And that was the direction that Which meeting it was, but Yeah, that was back in January. The 56 was approved and we moved forward into schematic design and we brought it back and there was concerns on the on the cost. And we did hear numbers 50 and oh but four four would be nice too. I I was preaching for four in front of it. But uh I realized we can't build it for that.

But also at the the study session 2 weeks ago too, we said we're bringing this back to get this back to the 56 number. If there's additional want and need to go lower, that means we're cutting square footage in the scope. Or the additional items that we talked about, your walking track, your kitchen, um the volleyball the extra room for volleyball, um the square footage of the the meeting rooms. Like those are the things that go next.

So, that that's fine if we need to go that route if you're directing us to. Um I don't want to go that route. That was that was what we talked about a couple weeks ago too. that 6 months ago. You know, what I mean? I I I personally mean I I don't want to sit here and want to be cheap either. We we talked about building a good quality product that's going to last probably obviously longer than any of us in this building.

And for what we're getting out of it, um I'm hoping as we move forward it I want to accept what you've done tonight. As we move forward, hopefully there's some other savings building this thing, right? We've talked about that. We don't know obviously right now in the in of the world we're in today, everything's going up, but we can only pray that things come down and keep it with a five in front of it. Yes, I preached four, but when I said that, I really wanted it.

Well, we couldn't have we couldn't even come close to building something like this. So, now if we keep a five in front of it and hopefully as we move forward, we need and the problem is if we keep putting this off and want to cut some other places, it's going to keep going up. We got to give them direction so they can start giving us a final product and start getting stuff ordered, breaking ground, locking prices in. So I I I personally Would you say 56 56 million 847,457 dollars.

[clears throat] Um 56.85 If If we lock this price in, what potential is there that it goes up? I mean, we talked about the price of diesel. Is Is that going to impact the the project for the next two years and is this price going to go up because of that or are we locked in at this price and we're good? So you're going to give us some direction to take this budget and move forward in the next phase. That's our goal.

If we get to the next phase in two months, three months and our prices are going up, then we're going to come back with some more cost saving options or we're going to bring you to the cost where we're at. So if we need to get back to this number, we can get there with with some sort of savings. We're going to If that's our direction. Um I can't control the marketplace. I don't know where it's going six months from now.

The uh um where things are right now is is dis- I'm disheartening to see it, but I I've seen things fluctuate up and down and and um we'll see where we're at. Is that Is that fair enough? Well said. Yeah, thank you. I I want to I want to put that 56 million whatever you just said in a motion to move forward. 56 56 million 847,457 I'm going to round it to a number. Yeah, you going to put some cents in there? We don't need to make some Uh two two cents. Two cents. 56 million 56.85 million.

And that yes, I want to put that in a motion. We accept that tonight. There is a motion there, Mary. You just put that number in there. You really want me to go find that? And just so so the next steps would be if this motion does carry would be to take that number, proceed with design, um go further, take these 30% design plans up to 60s, go more detailed into all those aspects of this building. Some costs will go up, some costs will go down.

We're going to have to see how this market plays out. And we'll bring we'll bring you back a fresh cost estimate when we get to the next level and we can go from there. And make decisions at that point. Anybody want to Any other questions or motions? You want to make a motion? Oh, good. I'll use my good eye. I move to approve the schematic design for the Show Low Sports Event Center project including the following cost-saving concepts to arrive at the projected budget of 56 million.

56.85 and to approve the start of the design develop stage City of Show Low project number FM 4625. Got a motion. I need a second. Got a second by Councilman Adams. All those in favor of the motion. All those opposed. 6-1 Motion passed. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Hey, at the next one when you present to us, can you bring aspirin? Please. All righty. Next item on the agenda is discussion of a consideration of direction regarding annual performance evaluations for appointed positions.

City Manager. Mayor and Council, the so the City Council is responsible for conducting annual performance evaluations for its appointed officials, which includes the city manager, city attorney, and city magistrate. Historically, the evaluation process has been conducted informally during an executive session. Each appointed official would provide a verbal summary of their accomplishments over the past year and identify departmental needs or priorities.

Following these presentations, the council would engage in discussion, providing feedback regarding performance, outlining expectations, and offering direction for the coming year. This process has not typically included standardized evaluation criteria, written performance metrics, or formal documentation submitted in advance of the evaluation meeting.

In preparation for the upcoming evaluation cycle, a council member requested additional information documentation from the city manager and city attorney to support a more detailed review. This level of request has not been part of prior evaluation processes.

Questions have arisen among council members regarding what information should be provided by appointed officials in advance of evaluations, whether a more formal or standardized evaluation process should be implemented, how to ensure consistency and fairness across evaluations, and the appropriate level of council involvement and individual input. As a result, several council members have expressed interest in discussing and providing direction on how to proceed with evaluations moving forward.

Staff researched some other municipalities and entities and their processes for such evaluations, and we obtained three different examples, which we attached to the packet. So, the council may want to consider the following options and elements when determining a preferred evaluation process. Do we want to maintain the current process? I won't go through all the issues there, but we can do a implement a structured evaluation. Uh maybe to do a more hybrid approach.

Um or the one that the end was a one that had 30-something questions with clear clear evaluation criteria. So, staff is just looking direction from the city council about preferred method and how to conduct the annual performance evaluations for appointed officials. Happy to answer any questions that you have. So, I just want to start out with I think I think we do need a process. We're We're getting big enough that we need something more. Um Huh? Formal.

Yeah, more formal and more that we can take the following year. I I'm just going to give you a quick example. I've been on NACOG for I don't know many years, 10, 12 years. And we started out with a process with NACOG that was 30 questions. It was a disaster. I can tell you um from experience we've got that down to five. Um the director for NACOG wasn't wasn't a fan of it at the beginning. Today, you can talk to him and he absolutely loves it. It holds him to a standard.

Then when he come back with the the basic evaluation, you come back the following year and you have it in your hand of what we talked about last year to what we're talking about this year. So, he evaluates himself and gives himself a three or a four. It's It's one to five, I think, or zero to five. I think how NACOG does it. It's in there. Anyway, and and you rate yourself and then you put some comments of what he thinks in his own evaluation he can do to be a better director.

Like a city manager, city attorney, our judge. And then we evaluate them and and see if they've done it better the following year. I think we talked about a little bit like that, Councilman Clark, a while back. So, we have something to go off of. Instead of like we've been doing it, I think I I think you're right. We're We're getting big enough that we we need something to to follow direction each year when when when we bring them back.

There was a There was an example in there, too, from from which I kind of liked cuz it kind of held us accountable too. I think it it was a Sedona or somebody Safford has kind of one for us. You know, how are we doing with the city manager? How how are our city attorney, the judge? I I I like that idea too. We don't do that with NACOG with the executive board, but I think as a city council, it kind of holds us to a standard as well.

So, I I kind of like that direction personally, only because I've I've done those for years and and like I said that the NACOG one is they got it. We can change the verbiage, definitely. It was [clears throat] pretty basic and and the idea of bringing it back like Councilman Clark, we talked about bringing it back the following year, so we know, okay, you gave yourself a three last year, you said you needed to improve on this, you needed schooling.

Okay, we're here this year, how did that work out? So. And I think of the basic, the easy, you know, the easier the better for us. I personally, so. I I and I like the idea of and and I I like the idea of of a standard for us. You know, how are we doing as a as a council member with our staff that that we oversee, so. I Yeah, Councilman Judd. Uh just real quick. So, yeah, I like both of those. I I I like what you're saying there. Like your NACOG one as well as the one from Safford.

Um everywhere I've worked, we've always done like some type of survey for employees just to if nothing else as an employee that took the survey even if it didn't really go anywhere, you did feel like you had a voice to say something. And maybe it went on deaf ears, but you you felt like, okay, someone heard me. And so, I feel like maybe we should do some type of survey this this this for the city manager, but also for each of our uh our managers and for us.

And I would I wouldn't mind a survey from even the public for city to see how we're doing and see what we're doing. you know every four years. It's all good for me. I Yeah, I have no problem with it. And if nothing else, if if if there's some things on there that are kind of we can't work on, it's just them complaining, at least they have a voice to to say what they they feel and we can maybe take something from it and see how we can improve.

So, personally, I think surveys are great and I I think we should do it with our city employees and again I I would be hypocritical if I didn't say I would be willing to have that for myself. And I think that all of our managers should have that and I think it would be I think it would be a good idea to see get a pulse on where we we are in the city. I agree. I I think starting with our cuz who does this if I I mean, NACOG has their upper management staff evaluate, say the city manager.

Shane would have to evaluate. That's what I mean. They cut the evaluations from there. Then they can go I mean, then we can they can add on later that he evaluates people under him. So, it can go farther and farther till it gets to the department heads on on that. And I like the idea of of doing surveys, too. You know, but they let us know if they don't like us. [laughter] Yeah, I guess you just Facebook, but formal survey but Council Clark. Yeah, thanks, Mayor.

I just want to give the the rest of the council background information in my in a discussion I had with Mayor Leach several months ago, probably in the middle of the fall. We were in a conversation and he asked me what the county does to evaluate their their county manager. And that's where this this kind of um the request came from. Um Mayor Leach had a great idea with with you know, evaluating the appointed individuals. I I wholeheartedly supported it.

I know we that you gave direction to staff to to kind of move with that. And then when the evaluation came up this year, I know that it was pushed back because I wasn't present. I appreciate Vice Mayor Travis requesting that. So, thank you for doing that. And then my the the request I made was I just I liked what you said about doing an evaluation that's more robust and more important.

So, that's where I think everybody got my email that I made a request for the city manager and the city attorney because I really like the idea of what you said about the NACOG director and how the county does it and multiple entities that are our size, they do these evaluations. And so, that's what was the trigger for my email and my request was just I would have liked I wanted to have more information so that I could be informed and represent the citizens when I'm doing those evaluations.

And so, that's how that all came about. And so, so thank you for the idea. And then I appreciate this being on the council. And I agree with what Councilman Judd said. I feel like it's a good idea to do surveys. Obviously, they would we would want to get the feedback to our staff, whether it's elected officials or us as a council members. And then again, I think we are surveyed every four years when we put our names on the ballot. So, are we talking like a 360 evaluation?

Yeah, I think that's what the that's the idea. And and I and and and just before I I turn it back over to you, Mayor. I I I love the city manager evaluation for the city of Safford. I think they do a great job. In my experience, when we have um when when I've noticed corporate America as well as SHRM, they're SHRM, I guess it's called, that a lot of them are going away from the five questions because a lot of people they it's if you give them more choices, they they usually don't make one.

So, if you have like, you know, one through five, they usually end up in the middle and you don't get information. So, I like the way that the city of Safford has done theirs, whether it's either you're doing the job, you're doing a great job, or you're doing uh falling, you know, needs improvement. And so, and I think that's what I garnered from our current city staffs, from the uh the city managers that he did with our um directors, that they're there's just the three choices.

And so, I would say that I would want that because then it gives you a clear picture of what you're doing. You don't get a whole bunch of like, you know, twos and fours because people don't want to, you know, like like I I want I want to know if I'm going to do an evaluation, I want it to be meaningful, and I want to extrapolate information for it. I don't want to just do it just to go through the process. So, when we do an evaluation with let's just say stay on the city manager and Yeah.

two or a four or five, you got he's got to explain why he's giving himself a two. Is that Is that what you mean? Well, yeah, I'm saying like if so, if you're going through and, you know, you're doing an evaluation on city manager, city attorney, or the the the city magistrate magistrate, it's either you're doing the job, which would be on track, you would either be like outperforming, meaning you're doing an exceptional job, and you have to be able to articulate that.

You know, there would be some very big wins. You know, like this year, the the um one of the wins I would say for for the city would be the uh the the giving machine, right? Like that that came to our community. It was a great opportunity for people to to to really focus on the true meaning of Christmas, and we really came together as a community. So, that would be a win. Um and so, you would put that on there.

Same thing with our recreation department, they've done a phenomenal job with the uh the the scarecrow walk or yeah, the scarecrow walk at Halloween. That has brought our community together, businesses do that. So, that would be a outperforming, they're doing a phenomenal job. And then most of the stuff is going to be on track, and then occasionally there's going to be a needs improvement. And so, that's where with the three, you really are able to pinpoint exactly what what the person's doing.

But, if you're doing something along the lines of, you know, if you're saying somebody's doing fair, average, or good, there's a lot of ambiguity in that. That that's what I I would prefer the Safford one. Let me ask the council this, do we want to that detailed to the Safford? Do we all want to make it our own? Obviously, make it our own. We don't want to go How many questions was in the Safford one? Uh let me count real quick, Mayor.

There's I think there's a there's just an overall, you know, workplace and then there's 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 questions. You guys want to build something like Safford and see where it goes? I would prefer that, but I'm good with the Safford one. I don't I don't know how I mean I mean and just keeping it with the city manager. I'm not really interested in and uh he it's his job to do his his staff and things, but I I like the feedback. We'll definitely have to use the city attorney and the magistrate.

Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. Vice Mayor. So, I like Safford's in that it provides you with descriptive um measures uh that you're that describes why you're measuring them or rating them certain ratings. So, it looks like a very long evaluation, but more of it's more information than it is actually a So, does everybody kind of like that direction and we can build something off that? To be clear that I don't think I see in the Safford one a 360 type of evaluation.

It's not to build in a survey or process uh department to rate individuals that are reporting to us. So, department heads report to the city report to the city manager or subordinate report to the magistrate or the city attorney. Ready for me to make a motion that anybody on the 40 years of HR experience [laughter] Have Connie get with staff and build something. I'm just kidding. So, does that make any [laughter] any sense, Martin?

Kind of build something off of I don't think it's word for word or something that fits us. I I I like the idea of of the vice mayor kind of helping out build something. Well, we have a HR. HR will get We have our HR. Um so Yeah, I I would say if if the direction the direction would be City of Safford looks the best of what the examples we've been given and we can incorporate a leadership 360 survey model into that.

And then we could we could what not, but but our basis would be Safford with a survey model of 360. I'd like to put that in motion. Well, I think I don't think there's a motion available. It's just to give staff direction, so that's what Yeah, but in the form of a motion, just make a motion and Yeah, make a motion and we'll do it. Okay, I would move that that we and and give staff direction that um the council would like to develop an annual performance evaluation for appointed positions.

I would direct staff that we um utilize the example of the City of Safford's uh city manager performance evaluation process. Develop that for the City of Low and incorporate in that a leadership 360 survey model into that as well. Um and that we would utilize that for our annual evaluations for the three appointed officials that we have stewardship over. I'll second. Is that clear for you, Rachel? And that'll give I think Ashley's probably the one who's going to this and Got a motion.

Got a second. All those in favor? All those opposed? So, that was 6 to 1. You know what? I'm going to pull out Can I change mine? I just don't I just don't like to keep it to stat Morgan and three. How much we didn't know about what's going on because of that it's working good below. Means you have a management that's working above. I don't know how deep I I still don't know how deep I want to go down into that. Well, we can do some changing as we build it.

I think we were just intended to do the leadership. That's what I That's what I 6 6 to 2? Yes. Okay. [laughter] I'm tired. 5 to It's way past It's an hour and a half past my bedtime. Don't laugh, Curtis. I knew you were going to. Okay. There we go. Uh next item on the agenda is summary current events. We don't have any till the next meeting. Yes.

Um the mayor and I attended the celebration for the completion of the Alpine Trail master plan completion, which is it's the largest um off-road um trail loop in the United States and it's been in the works for three four years through Arizona State Parks uh through a grant. And so, it's a really wonderful thing for all of the communities Tonto Basin up to Hannagan's Meadow, Alpine and um people can stop in the different communities and spend the night, spend their money.

And contact Connie if you want a brochure or something so she can get trail master plan to you. She's the secretary. So, she'll take care of you. Anybody else? Councilmember Clark. Yeah, the I was expecting Derek to do this, so he's going to get in trouble by his sister. Uh The Prince of Egypt is starting this week at the Sholo Auditorium. Um Oh, did he? Um my I have sons and several nieces and nephews who are in that. They've been working very hard.

Yesterday they had over a 12-hour day on a snow rebate day. Mrs. Whipple has put a ton of time and effort and heart and soul into that, so we'd encourage our community to please go out and support these kids and support the performing arts program at Sholo Unified School. They do a phenomenal job. We really are fortunate to have a caliber of a teacher as well as the performances that she's able to put on within our community. It's it's really second to none, so That starts is it this weekend?

This Thursday and Friday and then I think next week it's on as well. They have matinees as well as evening shows for those of you who get to bed 8:30. 8:30, quarter to nine. Come on. Uh city manager. I think just a couple quick items. It's going to be a busy weekend, so we also have this weekend the Sholo Biz Expo on Friday and Saturday. That's at the City Campus gym from 10:00 to 4:00. Showcases local businesses in our region along with their products and services.

Great way to spend some time shopping and learning what these where these businesses are located. Uh also have our annual day of service on Saturday, April 25th at 9:00 a.m. at the Sholo School District. And after you go out and do your assignments, you return there and they'll have lunch for you. Um remember to wear some closed-toe shoes, have gloves and hats. If you need more information, you can call 532-4014.

And then the following weekend, along with our barbecue throwdown, we have our city incorporation anniversary party scheduled for May 1st at the Frontier Fields 5:00 to 8:00 p.m. Lots of events, live music, free hot dogs and hamburgers, chips and dessert, giveaway prizes and games. And if the council wants to help, just let me know as we serve the community that night. That's all I have mayor. Thank you. I Does anybody need seconds? If not, I don't see any Oh, scheduling of meetings. All right.

We have one issue on the scheduling of meetings. We uh have a meeting scheduled for May 19th to bring back the changes to the recommended budget. Um I've been told by Councilman Whipple that he's [clears throat] not going to be available. He's going to be helping the seniors on their senior trip and then the mayor has to attend a graduation. So, we're looking at uh maybe thinking about changing the meeting in May, maybe to just one meeting on May 12th.

The P&Z is not meeting that night, so I want you guys to look at your calendars and see if that would maybe work. Have just one meeting in May on the 12th. Like every council member there when we do these recommended changes, so We're pretty used to the thumbs up. Okay. No. No. You're out May 12th? Be south. Okay. How about you, Councilman Adams? Oh, it's the budget. We need everybody here. So, we'll Well, let me We'll We'll look at some other things. Let's also look at May 26th.

That's right after Memorial Day. Does anybody have a problem with that date? How long you gone for? A month? I'll actually be coming back that day. I'll be back late. Late. I won't fly until 8:00. How about May So, if we do the May stick with the meeting on May 5th, Gentry? 26 works. 26 works for Gentry? Okay. Everybody One meeting in May, the 26th. Well, I don't know. We'll see. Whatever No, we might have to have one early now. Huh? We were trying to do one.

So, get everything in one, but First meeting in May was May 5th. Is Is good on I'm on that one, too. Okay. Okay. All right, we'll see if we can make it work. The The issue is um it's hard for our staff to get the tentative budget ready in 3 days. We'll see if we Maybe maybe we'll move a meeting in June. We'll see. [laughter] All right, thanks, Mayor. That's all I have. Justin back there going, "Yeah, that's what I was looking at, too." Oh, he's [laughter] All right.

Seeing no more business before this council, I adjourn this meeting. Thank you guys for input. [music]