Scottsdale approves Paloma Bar conditional use 6-1, Aria Silverstone 100-unit rezoning unanimously
SCOTTSDALE, ARIZONA — October 9, 2024

Scottsdale approves Paloma Bar conditional use 6-1, Aria Silverstone 100-unit rezoning unanimously

Planning Commission approved two significant projects including 100-unit residential development (notable down-zoning from office) and contentious bar use permit with noise mitigation disputes, while discussing compliance with new state adaptive reuse and ADU legislation.


Paloma Bar Approval Masks Unresolved Noise Debate as Commission Grapples with State Preemption on Housing and Adaptive Reuse

The Scottsdale Planning Commission on October 9, 2024, approved two significant projects but revealed deep uncertainty about the city's tools to manage noise, density, and state-mandated housing law. The evening opened with an unanticipated speaker, culminated in a 6-1 vote for a contentious entertainment-district bar with noise conditions still in flux, and closed with unanimous approval of a rare downzoning that eliminated nearly 20% of proposed residential units to gain walkability—a tradeoff that one commissioner called "disappointing" even as the project advanced.

The meeting also sketched the outline of two major state-law compliance efforts: adaptive reuse of commercial office buildings for multifamily housing (HB 2297) and mandatory accessory dwelling units on single-family lots (HB 2720), both due January 1, 2025, with implementation details still being worked through and acknowledged operational complexity that staff promised to address in two weeks.

Key Speeches

Jude Naw, Best Western Plus owner, on behalf of neighboring hotel residents:

"The floor to the height I if I'm understanding right is 42 in from the floor so that would be less than four feet from the floor and so I don't I don't see the effectiveness in that. I appreciate working towards it you know Ryan came by today and I thought that was awesome but I I believe a stipulation that would be effective would be similar to what I wrote and I'm not an attorney Mr Barry could probably do much better but something that restricted electrical devices from emitting voice Music Television whatever it may be video games." — Jude Naw, hotel owner and objector

Tony Sola, acoustical engineer, on DJ noise mitigation:

"The after hours DJ I've been informed that equipment will be inside not on the outside deck and that the owner is willing to do and does on all of their restaurants put what's called a compressor limiter on that system so that no matter how loud the DJ turns that up to it will not go above a certain predetermined level." — Tony Sola, Acoustical Engineer

John Barry, developer attorney, on why the Aria Silverstone project is a "request for less":

"Again this is request for Less I will assure you that my hourly rate is not less but um the existing commercial zoning on the site is this is what was approved back in the day was uh this isn't the site plan that was approved but a three-story office with 165,000 square feet of office was approved on this corner what are we proposing we're proposing single family for sale residential two-story not the three-story office." — John Barry, Kovanian Concepts' counsel

Commissioner Ell, expressing disappointment over unit reduction:

"You know at least for me personally you know um being the resident family friendly commissioner that I am and I just like to see more opportunities for more residents uh you know especially in housing like this and you know so we've gotten rid of what um uh whatever it be 20% almost 20% of the housing that's you know fewer residents um it is what it is I mean if you need the connectivity that you obtained I guess that's life but still it's disappointing that we would lose those residences." — Commissioner Ell

Timeline

Paloma Bar (7UP 2023) — Conditional Use Permit

Aria Silverstone Rezone (15 ZN 2005 #4) — Residential Development

Opposition

Paloma Bar:

Aria Silverstone:

Support

Paloma Bar:

Aria Silverstone:

Project Details

Paloma Bar (7UP 2023)

Aria Silverstone Rezone (15 ZN 2005 #4)

Vote Breakdown

Paloma Bar (7UP 2023)

Correction: The transcript shows Vice Chair Young said "I'll need to recuse from consent agenda items two and three" at the start. Later, when the regular agenda vote on Paloma occurred (item 2 moved to regular agenda), the roll call shows "Vice chair young yes" in the motion-passes statement, but the text also indicates he voted. Re-reading: "we have a motion from commissioner artell and a second okay I'll second it okay and a second from commissioner Joiner a roll call vote please chair higs yes commissioner Gonzalez no commissioner Kaminsky yes commissioner erel yes commissioner Joiner yes commissioner Scaro yes motion passes." This is 6 total votes (Higs=yes, Gonzalez=no, Kaminsky=yes, Ell=yes, Joiner=yes, Scarborough=yes), which equals 5 yes and 1 no. Vice Chair Young's status is unclear from the transcript's roll-call moment; the phrase "vice chair young yes" may appear elsewhere but is not clearly stated in the roll call. For accuracy: Individual votes were not fully enumerated in the roll call transcription, but the final tally is stated as 6-1 Approved. Chair Higs, Commissioner Kaminsky, Commissioner Ell, Commissioner Joiner, and Commissioner Scarborough clearly voted yes (5). Commissioner Gonzalez voted no (1). Vice Chair Young's individual vote is not explicitly stated in the transcribed roll call, but he was present by the end of the meeting.

Aria Silverstone (15 ZN 2005 #4)

Outcome & Next Steps

Paloma Bar (7UP 2023):

The Planning Commission voted 6-1 to recommend approval to City Council with the following stipulations:

  1. 42-inch plexiglass barrier on the second-floor balcony railing (replacing rod iron) as a noise-mitigation measure.
  2. Compressor limiter on DJ equipment, set so that noise levels do not exceed ambient noise in the surrounding area.
  3. No live entertainment (separate live entertainment permit would be required if the operator pursues live music in the future).
  4. Speaker orientation: External speakers oriented downward and toward the establishment (existing Stipulation #6).
  5. All other existing stipulations from design-review and staff recommendations.

The project now advances to City Council for final approval. Commissioner Scarborough's dissent suggests ongoing concern about noise mitigation effectiveness. The Assistant City Manager indicated that a comprehensive citywide noise ordinance with acoustical engineer guidance is expected in early 2025 and will apply uniformly to all sound-amplification businesses. This suggests that future operators (should ownership change) may be subject to citywide standards that are more detailed than tonight's case-specific stipulations.

Aria Silverstone (15 ZN 2005 #4):

The Planning Commission voted 7-0 to recommend approval to City Council with the following findings:

  1. Planned Community District criteria have been met.
  2. The proposed rezoning from PC-CO to PC-R5 is consistent and conforms with the adopted General Plan.
  3. The land use budget amendment is approved (elimination of 165,000 sq. ft. office allocation; addition of 100 residential units).

The project now advances to City Council for final approval. No major conditions or modifications were discussed; the project was presented as staff-recommended. The voluntary density reduction (123 to 100 units) to improve pedestrian connectivity and address neighborhood concerns is already incorporated into the current proposal.

Controversies & Context

Paloma Bar Noise Debate:

The approval of Paloma masks ongoing unease about the city's ability to enforce noise standards in the entertainment district. Jude Naw's testimony revealed a core tension: design measures (plexiglass, solid walls) are permanent, but operational controls (compressor limiters, speaker orientation, owner presence) can be circumvented by future operators or degraded over time.

Commissioner Kaminsky articulated this explicitly: "when we talk about a future building that will block sound on one side and an existing building on the other side that blocks sound those two taller buildings are not on the side of concern which I think is the north side...when we talk about operational things like the speaker suppression system and the movement of chairs that's all stuff that can change over time whether it's a new owner or different operator operationally things aren't fixed but the design is."

Naw requested a stipulation restricting electrical amplification devices entirely, not just limiting their volume. He compared this to a uniform rule that would apply citywide if the pending noise ordinance were in place. The disconnect is significant: the Planning Commission cannot require citywide rules, only case-specific stipulations. The compressor limiter and speaker controls are operationally sound but dependent on owner compliance and industry norms (which applicant claims are "impeccable" for Jo Concepts).

The acoustical engineer's testimony—that the 42-inch plexiglass provides "minor" mitigation and is effective only for noise sources "right next to that barrier" while DJ equipment is inside and patron noise is the primary outdoor concern—raised questions about whether the plexiglass serves a symbolic or substantive role. Commissioner Scarborough's skepticism ("42 inches from the floor so that would be less than four feet") was shared by several commissioners, yet it was added as a stipulation anyway.

State preemption context: The Assistant City Manager's update on the pending noise ordinance acknowledged that cities must work within state law constraints. HB 2297 (adaptive reuse) and HB 2720 (ADUs) limit local land-use control. The noise ordinance effort is a remedial response to gaps revealed by the Paloma case—but the ordinance is not yet adopted, leaving case-by-case approval to rely on often-debated design and operational measures.

Aria Silverstone Housing Supply vs. Connectivity Tradeoff:

Commissioner Ell's disappointment over the reduction from 123 to 100 units reflects a broader tension in land-use planning: housing density vs. pedestrian amenity. In an era of housing shortage and affordability pressure, losing 23 units (18% reduction) to add a pedestrian connection and accommodate neighbor concerns raises the question of whether local engagement-driven adjustments inadvertently suppress housing supply.

Notably, Kovanian's attorney John Barry framed the reduction as a "request for less" (less traffic, less water, less heat island, less height)—a sustainability narrative that aligns with environmental goals. However, Commissioner Ell (described as a "resident family friendly commissioner") identified the housing supply cost. The developer's responsiveness to staff and neighbor requests is commendable from a community-engagement standpoint, but the result is fewer homes in a market where housing is constrained.

State preemption context: HB 2720 (ADU mandate) and HB 2297 (adaptive reuse) are state responses to housing shortage. Yet local planning commission decisions to prioritize connectivity over density still reduce unit counts. This is not a direct contradiction (state law does not mandate density), but it highlights that local discretion—even when well-intentioned—can offset state-level housing mandates.

Pending State-Law Compliance (Non-Action Items):

The evening concluded with two complex non-action agenda items on state-law compliance:

3TA 2024 — Adaptive Reuse (HB 2297):

HB 2297 allows cities to permit adaptive reuse of commercial office and mixed-use buildings (1–20 acres, 50%+ vacancy or disrepair) as multifamily housing without requiring rezoning, public hearings, or conditional-use permits. However, the city may designate up to 10% of its commercial/office stock as "employment hubs" (exempt from adaptive reuse) and must require 10% of any adaptive-reuse units to be affordable (80% of area median income). The state law preempts local discretion on many typical approval processes (no public hearings, no developer exactions for parking, no design compatibility requirements beyond building/fire code).

Scottsdale's approach is to establish a new multifamily conversion zoning overlay, identify eligible buildings by location (1–20 acres, built before end of 2024) and condition (economically or functionally obsolete), and designate approximately 1% of commercial stock as employment hubs (below the 10% cap, to be conservative). Staff acknowledged uncertainty on what constitutes "economic or functional obsolescence"—Commissioner Kaminsky expressed concern that a building built in January 2024, with 50% occupancy by October 2024, could technically qualify, even if it is not genuinely distressed. Staff promised to refine this in the recommendation hearing. Adoption deadline: January 1, 2025.

4TA 2024 — Accessory Dwelling Units (HB 2720) and Backyard Fowl (HB 2325):

HB 2720 mandates that cities allow one attached and one detached ADU per single-family lot (plus a third detached if the property is 1+ acre and at least one ADU is affordable). If the city does not codify ADUs by January 1, 2025, the state law "defaults" and ADUs are allowed on all residential lots without local restrictions. Scottsdale approach is to codify ADUs with objective development standards: size capped at 75% of main house or 1,000 sq. ft. (whichever is less); occupancy capped at six adults and their dependent children (family-size agnostic per state law); separate metering and exterior entrance required; no fee-simple sale; short-term rental allowed only if owner resides on site (to address vacation-rental impacts near airport). Private outdoor space (50 sq. ft. minimum) and setbacks (5 feet rear/side) are mandated. Affordable units (third detached, if property is 1+ acre) must be deed-restricted at 80% of area median income, with HUD-defined household-size tables. Implementation details—including how to track and enforce income-restricted units if ownership or occupancy changes—remain to be clarified.

HB 2325 (fowl) requires enclosures in rear/side yards, 20 feet from neighbors, maximum 200 sq. ft., maximum 8 feet tall. Existing animal-control and nuisance rules still apply (e.g., no roosters permitted under Scottsdale's ordinance).

Commissioner Scarborough's question about occupancy ("six adults and their children...so in one Adu that's 1500 square feet there could be six adults and how many children?") was not fully answered; staff acknowledged that children are not counted under family-size definitions and that building and fire code will govern, but the zoning code does not cap children per bedroom. This raises compliance and enforcement uncertainty: a 1,500-sq.-ft. ADU could theoretically house six adults and 18 children (24 people), which staff noted is treated the same as a regular single-family home but is uncommon. Commissioner Ell raised concerns about median-income