San Tan Valley authorizes $55,000 impact fee study, opposes $45M transportation bill excluding town

Garrett Glover: Right. Okay. welcome everybody. To the Council meeting of the town of San Tan Valley, on January 21st, 2026, P.m. Pat Walker: One. Garrett Glover: And remember, Tyler. Brian Tyler: Present. Garrett Glover: That's number. Wolford. President, Oncember, Oaks My experience President. Pat Walker: You right? I don't know. Garrett Glover: There's a quarrel sounds like a corn. We will now go to the Pledge of Allegiance and following the Pledge of Allegiance will have Ken Bell.

Give us an invocation. Have Vice Mayor Hudgens lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the point the United States of America. and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice. You're godly knowledge. You And thank you for this day. and as we meet together, as a town council members and attending residents, We ask for a clear vision for our community. We also ask for patients as we learn about issues that are set before us.

and as we continue to put in place foundational operations, We express our gratitude for all that has brought us to this point. They will be why stewards of the freedoms we enjoy. May we be why stewards of the opportunities. Now, before us is incorporated town, We pray this in Jesus name. Amen. Thank you, Kendall, appreciate that. Okay, we will now go to item. Number four, which is the approval of minutes.

This is the discussion and possible action for approving minutes from the January 7th, 2026 Regular town, council meeting. Does anyone have any comments? Discussion. I do I I think we need to make a clarification in the minutes that the person The name who gave the invocation. Is Rand Rippy Randon Ricky not Brandon Ricky. So if we could, please make that change, I think that would be appropriate. Other than that, that's the only thing I see that would need to be changed.

Any any other council member? Councilmember, Tyler anything. May or so, any motion? Good. Brian Tyler: No. Garrett Glover: could incorporate that cheese into the motion that's made? Yeah, so when we do call for, when there's a motion, please clarify the name change for the invocation. So if there's no further discussion or any discussion, is there a motion? Mayor, I motion that we approve. The meeting minutes from the previous meeting news.

January 7th and update the name from Brandon Ricky to Brandon Rivage. That would be random review. Poor guy. We have a motion. Is there a second? A few seconds. Oh sorry. We have a motion and a second. All in favor. Say aye. Hi. No, any opposed. Sounds like the eyes have it, motion carries minutes. or approved from the January 7th 2026? Regular town, council meeting. Well, now go to item number five. This is the opportunity. for current events summary of current events from the Council.

It's for information, only, and there will not be any discussion deliberation or legal action taken. Does the Council have anything to add Councilmember Hunt? Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor, I just wanted to announce that now, counties doing a summer intern program. This is the the second annual program. It's a few months off but it's force those enrolled in high school college or equivalent ages 16 and up here is very successful for the county.

They had 150 applicants, maybe 40 people and it gives students a chance to work for about seven weeks. It's paid. you're gonna chance to work in different departments within the county and the judicial system or whatever. They can kind of have a preference of what they can. In working. But it's happening in this year.

It's a little ways off, but in March, there will be a posting and the students can apply and then App Interview process will be in April but it starts and it starts in May and goes for seven weeks and it's paid. So Thank you for that. Very interesting. Yes, Councilmember Jenkins. Council member folks is not present Councilmember Tyler. Council member folks is not present Councilmember Tyler.

Brian Tyler: Yeah, I this past week, I was able to go to the There's a meeting about the resolution copper mine out for Oak Flats. There's a lot of good information about Garrett Glover: Cancel. Okay, anything else? Brian Tyler: Yes. Can you hear? Garrett Glover: Are we losing him in and out sounds like sounds like Councilmember Tyler. We're losing you in and out. Your kind of In and then you're out, I don't know if your Internet connection is good or not. That's a.

Brian Tyler: Yeah, it's Garrett Glover: Huh. Well, now's the opportunity with with this, this opportunity Brian Tyler: Okay. Okay. Garrett Glover: So what we heard is that you the copper resolution meeting Brian Tyler: Yeah, it I'll just pass for now. I know. Rupert was also there so he can probably give a better update. Garrett Glover: Okay, very good. Thank You. Council member, Woolford.

So yeah, the last few did go with our town manager to the Arizona, Association for Economic Developments legislative luncheon. They had Asian food which was pretty good, but it was a really awesome event to be able to see some of our legislators as they launched this new legislative session. I know, some of you are really eager to see what's on the legislature socket and there are a few bills that do have some significance for us here in Saint Ann, Valleys and Newtown.

So again we will be watching closely and making sure that we connect with the proper folks to ensure that they hear our voice. When it comes to some of those measures that are on the docket. Again just reiterate with Councilmember Tyler again we did go to the resolution copper Um, town hall over at jail. Comes middle school. A very interesting event. Again, just kind of detailing.

the potential impact for the copper mine Again we all agreed we definitely do need to do our research and kind of understand the full extent before we, you know, address any other issues. On a more enlightening note today, the Arizona League did a call with many of the cities and towns regarding the America, 250 a celebration and you know, it kind of struck me really. Really personally, to think 250 years ago, 13 Small colonies decided to quote unquote incorporate.

So if they didn't, we still be under the county of King George. But we, it's really touching to see Arizona feature. So prominently in those festivities in the celebrations. and, you know just us here in San Tan Valley. We are that. That laboratory in a sense, 250 years later, as a country, we're still growing, we're still thriving. So, as we get ready for this, oh my gosh. I'm gonna chop this up. A semi King centennial or other event. I'm so old. I need to drink water, but anyways.

So, really pay attention to those. You've got a great great country that we live in. We got a little slice of paradise here. So as we alontos festivities, just think about it, we are America And then I'll leave it at that, but aside from that yet some others gonna be Geo comes meeting, I'll be at. Um and then I think one more thing coming up as well but yeah keeping very busy. Yes. We're gonna get tour next Thursday, at ASU politics at the county and that should be fun. So thank everyone.

Thank you Council member wolfert. Vice Mayor. Just say it's this last meeting. I want to mention again, the mayor and I are speaking. an event that Goodman's putting on this Friday morning, at the Combs Unified School District. So if you're free you want to come out, I think they're calling a fireside chat. I don't know if there'll be a fire. You see? Yes. Yeah.

So if you guys want to come out to be just a great way to connect with other members in the community, as a lot of businesses show up on profit groups, and that's all that sort of stuff. You hear a little bit more off the cuff from us about what's going on the town. What we're hoping to see all that stuff. So see you there and then posting you high school, reach, an, A rating. I went a few weeks back. celebrate with some other teachers.

Now, they're gonna celebrate with the students because they were a big part of that as well. And that's gonna be on January 27th. Okay, thank you. I had the opportunity. to go to be invited by our Legislative District representative Nell Carter to be at the opening of the legislative session 57. I believe it was and I was introduced, so everybody knows that Santan Valley is now in municipality introduced as the mayor of Santan Valley.

So that was a great opportunity because the room was filled with a lot of variety of different people there from mayors to legislators to the governor. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to stay for the governor's remarks. I have received a personal medical call that I needed to attend to so, but it was a good opportunity. Word is out, Santan Valley is here, so that was a good opportunity to be there and be a part of that. So with that, we will move to item number six. Oh wait.

Yeah, we got everybody item number six. This will be the town manager report, which is a summary of current events, and it's this informational only there won't be any discussion, or deliberation or action and our town manager. Brian Billingsley will give us an update Thank you so much. Mayor, Mayor. Vice Mayor Council members. As usual, I'll try to keep it brief. But there's a number of things that I think are important to discuss.

First of all the town in 10s on having a council strategic planning retreat. At some point here in the future. And I just wanted to check and see if everybody got their packets today. That's a win. So please, if you get a chance, go through that packet and and get us, get us back the information so we can use that to plan the retreat.

As the mayor just said the legislative session kicked off and so have the legislative meetings with the League and the Pinal County governments and the CSA and and all of the different groups out there that that do the lobbying arm of of the state APA and in many others in the state, the two bills I guess the two topics they have multiple bills, that seem to be rising to the top.

One of them is a gendized on today's meeting for later and I will address it and that has to do with the prta funding. But it's it's important to know that after the loss of Goldwater that prta funding was to be refunded if possible in the process was Forced by the state to do that. I did check today. The remaining balance is somewhere around 45 million dollars We have until the end of April for any requests for refunds to take place.

And so we're having a conversation now at the legislative level about what to do with those funds, That's the item that's a few on the future on the future of this agenda. The second one that seems to be a very important topic especially to our sister cities is food taxes and this was a hot item and last year's legislative session as well. for cities and towns. As a matter of fact, it's been pushed to the ballot and that is called HCR, 2018.

But another bills being run in this legislative session as well called House Bill 2839. We're so early in the session. We don't know where it's going to go. These bills have just been dropped and assigned to committees but those seem to be the two hot topics for our sister cities. And in towns and Finale County, we'll keep an eye on those for you and report back.

um, Next topic I have is we're currently scheduling interviews for five open positions with the town and it looks like as of today, we have all the interview schedules so we'll be having interviews over the next three weeks. to for those various positions. Our lease was approved by Pinal County today and we have a number of representatives from Pinal County out in the audience, want to thank you for that.

Following that approval by the Board of Supervisors, we then had meetings this afternoon with with Pinal County specifically, the manager's office. their IT group and their facilities group to get us ready. The next thing will be card. Yeah, key cards and cutting US keys and and working on furniture and equipment for, for the town, in, in the space. That's directly adjacent to where we're sitting now. So, very exciting day.

And I don't want another one of those first for the town of San Tan Valley, and we plan to move in on February the second and another item that I wanted to bring to everyone's attention is there was a meeting today. Oftentimes, we've heard folks come during call the public and talk about transportation and safety as as everyone knows here. This presentation from public works this evening from from Joe and Celeste, but I had the pleasure of being able to attend a meeting today, Ms.

Karen was was on that meeting as well to discuss. 20 25 Strategic Transportation, Safety Plan. And I went ahead and sent a copy to all the the council members. Today, I'm gonna ask Garrett to put the link to that that particular document on our website as well. But if you want to find it and you want some reading materials tonight, if you go to the SS, S C mpo. So it's the Sun Corridor Metropolitan Planning Organization website.

The study is is actually there for for you to to review and it has a list of projects, including some projects in San Tan Valley, that were identified as safety concerns. the last thing that I have is It's very pleasure to say we now have around 8.8, million dollars in the bank for Centennial, we can spend it.

But 8.8 million dollars in the bank and that's a very large increase from our last meeting which Is receiver some controversy because we got 4.9 million dollars in trans transportation or transaction privilege taxes last week and and that means if I don't get any bigger it's just another slice out of the pie. That means that every other city in town in Arizona loses tpt.

Because because we are receiving our tpt, but it's good for us, we've got some money in the bank and and that's gonna give us some ability to do the things we need to do in the near future. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you, Brian. There's a lot of things happening out there and yet to come. so stay tuned. But we're excited to have a place to call home for a short while at least Okay, this will move us. Now to item number seven.

This is business before the Council will have item number, a possible adoption of resolution number 2026 - the 2026 town collection This will be consideration and possible action to adopt the resolution that will establish the 2026 election dates offices, to be filled, candidate filing deadlines voter registration deadlines, and other related, election, matters, and authorization for the town clerk to coordinate with the Pinal County elections as required.

And we will have that given by the looks like the town clerk and both that would be Garrett and our town attorney Alan, so who's taking it away first, Mayor Council members. Although, the council's already acted on matters, that will appear on the ballot as you're aware. We are already. proved some ordinances calling for some elections. There's this additional statutory requirement that you make this formal call of the 2026 elections.

And so this resolution is designed to meet those legal requirements. And as before you for, Consideration. Sorry. I have nothing. Daddy sum it up. Great, happy dance. Any other questions? if Garrett didn't have anything to add then, you know it's a clad that's actually works with the Pinal County Elections Department. Okay, so we've had this, we had opportunity to look at it and read it in our packets. Is there any discussion or motion? 20. 26-04 calling.

town of San Tan, Valley's, 2026 primary, and general, elections, and establishing statutory. There's a motion, is there a second second there we have the second all in favor say hi any I I opposed Okay, motion. Carries the eyes. Brian Tyler: I, Garrett Glover: Okay, we'll go to item number b. This is a presentation on transaction privilege tax. This will be by bill copy and Pat from Pat Walker. Consultants Test Test.

This is an overview of transaction privilege taxes TPT including TPT structure and other towns, and cities, and potential fiscal and community impact for San Tan Valley. Bill. Your opportunities. You're the floors, yours. All right, here comes members. So my name for people in the audience and online my name is Bill Copy. I'm one of the financial consultants at the town, hire a couple months ago.

So we're here just ask staff member I guess for throughout you know, he took us fully staff so myself and Pat Walker, Cat Walker with the last council meeting, talk about budgeting and talk about revenues and expenditures, you know, expenditure limitations. So tonight And what the impact is on the community. I don't clarify one thing. So Brian mentioned that and you are mayor, you're at an event where you mentioned a Santana is now officially a incorporated.

So, the money that was collected is state chart revenues so it's the state shared portion of transaction privilege taxes. It is not part of the presentation doing tonight. So they're two entirely separate buckets. That's just want to make sure everyone doesn't think that you already implemented a tax is already in place. So you have not. So you're just at the very, very early stages of that.

so, my goal tonight is to try to provide information for council to decide whether or not they want to go forward with implementing attacks and And talk about, you know, some of the reasons why, you know, there, it's as you'll see pretty much every town and city in Arizona has some some type of transaction privilege tax. So my goal is to give you the information if at the end we are kind of looking for direction if you want to proceed.

Um, I would definitely have to have you bring the lead back, you know, and start that conversation with the League and because there's a lot of Steps in the process, It's about a four-month process to implement a rate and It all just had some of the topics that are probably was going to discuss later, but it always has to start the first day after I end of a quarter. So it's not like you can just pick a day and say, okay, tax is going to The League, really?

Because a lot of, you know, a lot of businesses only file on a calendar year. So the only file once a year, so really makes it hard when you start going in the middle of a quarterly you know fiscal year but they will allow it so you can go to July 1 October 1. So those are the only days you can implement a new tax. Okay. So I don't leave before you. Oh, and I did want to point out Mayor. I did here. listen to last presentation or the last council meeting. So I did hear your comments.

So I have 12 flights. So, all right, I just want to let you know and two of them. They're about four of them are introduction. So, you know, it's gonna be Quick, it should be quick. There's no trap door just keep looking on my shoulder. I'll keep looking over my shoulders. So tonight, the purpose of the presentation is really to talk about the tpt process. But you know what is a tpt you know, how is it different from a sales tax?

I'm just gonna hit over these really quick because we did A General presentation, as it relates to this. And so I got about three slides of, I'm just going to kind of go over real quickly. So really the heart of the discussion to me is going to be the second bullet point. So, we're talking about the tpt structure, you know, comparing it to others towns and cities just to give you a perspective as to, you know, the wide array of different types of rates that exists from the out there.

and then last but not least is the impact of the town and the community, but also so it's residents and businesses. What impact will that have So what is a tpt? again it's you know, as we go through this, I'm sure a lot of you are all familiar with the sales tax. I got another slide that shows sales tax.

um, tpt sales tax after a while you're gonna look at these and go while they basically saw the same and in reality for the most part, they kind of are the same So, but by definition transaction privilege. Taxes is taxes levy on the privilege of doing business. So it's not so much on the purchaser, the person buying a goods and services, but it's on the business responsibility. So I'm like sales tax, the tax liability falls with the business.

now, most of the time you go to Google, when you buy anything, you can see the tax, you are The consumers is paying the tax. There are on occasion, you'll see someone having a liquidation sale or a year in sale and say, you know, no sales tax paid. Well, you go buy an item for $100. You pay $100. That doesn't mean that the business does not have to pay that tax. So the business would have to take nine dollars or whatever from that and still the state.

So that's about the only time I've ever seen kind of anything like that. Is Those type of unique sales. Typically, you'll always see it added on the end of your bill whenever you go buy anything. Oh, variable rates. We'll get into this a little bit. I don't know if you've had received a copy of all the different tax rates within the state where we So if you haven't, we can send you if you're interested. It's about I don't know.

52 pages worth of tax rates and everything so you can just see All the different components. And I'm not going to touch like a the main categories, but as you look into some of these cities, you'll just look at. It's like it's amazing how many different things you can tax or not tax. And so if you're interested in that we can, we'll send that to Brent or Alan and you can forward it on. Right now, unfortunately, there's hoping this number is correct.

I know I've only one newly incorporated city, so I'm going to go with 91 on 92 cities. I think we can kind of You know, guess who know that one city might happen to be so not gonna mention names, but so the administration it's by Department of Revenue. We call it AIDOR but and then a model city tax code that's really where Lee's going to come in and so cute. What do you want to tax? What's your tax rate? What do you, what categories do you want to apply a tax?

And you know, there's so many different components of the tax rate that you're gonna have to. Unfortunately, you're gonna spend a little bit of time talking about the different components of attacks, right? It's not. Oh, everything is two percent and I'll show you some here tonight. So, again, it's kind of difference between a sales tax and a transaction Privilege tax begins sales taxes are charged to consumers. Collected by the seller TPT is basically imposed to the to the business.

And it's for the right to operate so, but in reality, They pretty much. For their average person. They're going to look exactly the same. So so who's responsibility again? I kind of just texted Just now businesses are responsible regardless, if they charge a tax or not. The privilege. I like the privilege I guess. I like the word privilege because I've said it enough times are. so here's where the starting to get the into the main presentation.

So, Why, why do we go ahead and and why does cities go ahead and implement a tax rate? as you'll see? And I only picked a really handful of cities, but as you see it's cut. It's a main source of revenues for those cities. No Santana is unique in the fact that it will incorporated cities typically don't Come 100,000 people, give or take. So I think I've only a research and I think there's only one other city in Florida. I believe that was slightly over a hundred thousand people.

that incorporated. So, you're out there kind of on your own and kind of knew so, but then as a result, so Alan mentioned. All right Mentioned that we got the report today. Finance directors, got the report also. And they saw how much money they actually lost. Due to the fact that Santa and gained the money. So, you know, there there are a lot of people and if in a finance world that probably don't look too kindly to send 10 at this point. you know so be it.

Yeah it's true to our benefit and you know. Okay. So but you know so you're coming in with all 50 million dollars, they are revenues give or take 45 to 50 million depending on your population. Sizable amount of money, no doubt about it. They after, again, after a year or so you're going to see that that money is just pales in comparison to the costs. Associated to running a city. It was with the sheriff's.

Public safety is very expensive, anyone that won't say that it's not so you're kind of sheriffs and police and a fire and everything, so you know, those are things in addition to maintaining streets, you know, we have part libraries up here by your part of the county. So you mean unless you want to go with your own library but you have parks and you have all these amenities that you want to provide That maybe the residents are currently asking for that. They currently don't have.

They all come with a large price tag. so Highway User Revenue Fund, You can't really cuts out other than for street maintenance. So that money is kind of off the table for the most part. but you really you know, it's it's important most You know, 91 out of 91 cities, one of implemented, a tax rate. If they didn't think it was important. For for their city to grow and continue to grow and provide those amenities and services. So current rate, the state is 5.6.

That's the one that Brian was referring to. The county for Canal of 1.1. So I got here a little bit early today. So, I decided to go to a grocery store and see if they were charging the correct rate. So I went grocery stores, I went to And I also went to A Fly. I got receipts to prove that it's calculated, right? I also went to one of your finer fast food. Establishments Entirely ten dollars there. So those are very fine meal. You're gonna but So, I didn't want to point out.

You you are paying six point, seven percent to two added together. So you know, it really if you're going into a business It's that location wherever that business is located. If you're ordering something online, it's your address. So wherever your address is located. So, and then even after your incorporated, there's all they're still unincorporated pockets.

Still in a county, you know, they could go by, you know, Queen Creek or they could go by Santan as a feeling address, or whatever in reality, it's really what your address is and what you're will, determine what tax rate you pay if you're ordering something online from Amazon. So that's that's where that comes in. So, right now, you know, I can assure because I'd have two samples here that we are, they are paying the correct rate at those two establishments.

Because we're not yet set up to do reimbursements. That's okay. No, no. That's all right. Just say I know I had to buy something anyway. So check it out and see. So So then on top of that though is here some of the towns and cities into what they charge. So like for Apache Junction, they're 2.4 or 3.4. And so you have 5.6 1.1, and then you would have the 2.4. So that would be a total 9.1 on the low end and then 10.1 on high. Maricopa, you can see in a high end and they're 12.2.

So you know, it depends on and I got a slide Here's I'll show the breakdown here in a second and, and a lot of it is due to new housing construction. So, now I'm getting into some of the good stuff. So, tpt rates by city town by category, so this is just a small portion. Of the categories. I pick some of the more popular ones because everyone kind of recognizes those after a while you start looking at, I don't know what that is. So so I kind of left those off.

Contracting is housing, new housing construction. So you saw how? you have a tax on a new home? If you resell the house you don't pay on that. It's a new new. and it's not like, Still have my house for three hundred thousand dollars on paying tax on a 300. That's simple. So there's deductions and there's things you can subtract from that. So it's a it's a fraction of that costs that you're paying a sales tax on That is a one-time revenue.

So that's one of those categories that you know, once if you implement a tax rate, you start collecting any money from new housing construction. You know, they'll you want to make sure you're using that money for one-time expenditures, you don't want to use it for pain calories, you want to use it for things that are reoccurring electricity because I'm only could go away because it's all based on economy based on interest rates based on a housing.

You know what the market is like Supply and demand. But you can see some of the other rates hotels. I don't believe you have any at this point, but you you can just see how they vary. So if we look at Queen Creek, they're at the far right. Housing. They jacked it up, they're at 4.25. now, the one thing you have to be careful when this so one of the items is Impact fees. anything about your normal rate, they have to take that into consideration as to bring down the amount of impact fees.

You can collect. So so if you decide to go, so you decide, I'm going to go with it. Other users 2.25% tax rate, that's the same as quickly. and then you want to go up into a 4.25 for housing that additional 2% would have to be taken into consideration when you're calculating. To impact fees. So that's something um, restaurant bars you know, varies you can see patchy Junction 2.4 and some of the other ones, five four. They're all they're kind of all over the board.

The one retail food for home consumption. That's one line item. Very there are some cities did, do not charge a sales tax. The state does not collect, so, on my receipt. The state does not collect the sales tax on that. Almost everyone will say, almost majority. A lot of cities do though. Um, especially growing cities cities that are starting up. That is their kind of their Revenue, strong revenue base because they don't have the other retail in place. So, you got a Home Depot. That's good.

You know, Walmart, Oh, a lot of Walmart sales are food. and if you, if you go with a zero percent then you're capturing only a part of your Walmart sales, because they'll they'll make sure that food is not taxed. So when you look at your receipt, you can tell on there. What's taxable and what's not taxable. So it's something for consideration, something to think about but it's, it's gonna be one. One one is, that's where every one question of many.

That, that really, that Lee would have to quite address and answer for you. Yes, sir. I'll be very loud because I don't have the microphone but I'm sure it Could pick me up from here. When Maricopa was a brand new city. it very much was cognizant of the importance of development paying its own way. So it was an early adopter of development impact phase, which I know we have an IDEA item on today, but also transaction privilege tax, with respect to construction activities.

They would not have a police station, a city hall, any of that infrastructure Now if they did not adopt that tpt rate specifically on the construction items and then set that aside for those future improvements that were necessary in that city, that's we were able to fund purchasing the property for both Copper Sky Park, the property for the City Hall complex. and then build City Hall Council chambers. And the first real police station in Maricopa with one-time revenues from CPT constructions.

I thought that was interesting information. so in this slide revenue impact, you know, from a finance perspective, these are kind of slides and like the talk, because They have dollar signs and numbers other than just words. So um, this is, you know, I think, excuse me. So I picked the wrong seven cities, I believe. um and so you can see it's it's General Fund only so I didn't take it in her into consideration her, excuse me.

Um, so it's for like this current fiscal year 25-26, so the top part starts with population and I only threw Avondale in there, you know, once I was Sally but it has a higher population. So it has around that 96,000 population and these numbers were from July of 24, I believe. So their number could be pushing closer to or Santan. is so, so I kind of gave you just an overview of All the different cities that are highlighted here and there's many many more.

The top part is basically the revenue so you can see tpt right now, or let's pick, Apache Junction, 29, almost 30 million dollars. Their state chair revenues are 17.8 million dollars. Other revenues are permitting revenues parks and rec things like that would be in their interest income. Interest rates are fantastic right now.

So that would be also be a major component there and then we have a number of employees so Pat's Junction just in a general fund who has about 400 employees and then told about 60 million dollars. So you can just see just on stage or revenues alone, they would not be anywhere near able to operate as a town, or as a city. and some of these other ones like Avondale, You'll have 56 million, but they actually have 28 million that they dedicate for special. I think it's public safety.

So it's it's set aside in a separate fun that they, they don't even use for operational purposes, so they're at about 80 million dollars. 85 million dollars total Pvt revenue. So but they have car dealerships. They have Costco, Costco, if you go to Costco or you're just You're on, you're on the map with a Costco. Yeah so everyone looks for a Costco. so, um, but it's a huge. You can just see a huge. How much money that brings in compared to whether it is? Yeah, 250 million just in a general fund.

And they have 555 employees. So this kind of just gives you an overview. Some of the, you know, prop, A few cities have a property tax primary property tax, which can can be used for general operations. The one that's big is maricopa. They, they have a very high tax rate for their 17 million dollars, so it just kind of gives you a comparison of you know what how You know what the stage or revenue brings in compared to what their budgets are? So, effective businesses.

business, it should be very, very little. They already are paying the state. so they would have to do is just additional tax to it. So whatever that is years and years ago. cities, some cities actually collected their own tax rate on their own taxes. So a city would mail business, attacks, bill pay your bill, They would then send it back to that town or that city for them to we basically deposit.

All the money that's being collected from all the businesses within that town that was very confusing because I was, you know, There was a, there was so many people complaining that they're actually going at one point talking about a statewide. Sales tax, one sales tax, that's it. So what they did. removed, all of those responsibilities from the town that said, No, you're not allowed to do that anymore.

once that happened, it is going to filing a businesses became a lot easier, so it should be a very minimal effect for businesses. residents again. It's if any of the rate is 2%, say, and I'm not trying to steer toward any rate and just keeping a mess simple for me. ITV From $500, you'll be paying additional $10. So it's it's it is an increase. It is a tax, you know, it's Word that people don't typically like to hear but hopefully they'll be utilize.

and put to Economic Development, Considerations. Every city has one. And so a developer who comes to you says, Oh my God, you're charging into percent. There. They should be accustomed to that because every other city is doing it already. So hey, don't go look at someone else. That's three and a quarter five percent, you know.

So it's that should not be a consideration anymore, but I wanted to bring it up because I especially on the impact fees, sometimes you'll get to developers coming in and go like how you're charging me these huge impact fees. Also our bunch of other cities and towns in Arizona, too. So, And then a big part is course, is the awareness. This Getting out to communicating to the residents, you know, not maybe what the needs as a growing city. What what was this money to use for?

You know, how is it calculated? Things like that. So making not only businesses, but the residents more aware and understand what a transaction privilege taxes, it sounds could be kind of confusing, but It really isn't and it's very straightforward. so, I guess the conclusion, It's you know if you're gonna ask a finance person, it's very important. But I know you're not. So skip that part of an important I didn't understanding tax taxes.

We if you do proceed again you know we we can definitely help in that process. Making sure everyone fully understands the impact and and things like that so and again would be with Lee and so then the last part is really comes up to policy makers, you know council. To try, you know what? What is your What would you like staff or Alan and Brian to start doing is really the next part of this process. So expressly since I said at the beginning, it's a four process.

So if you wanted to try to hit July 1, you'd almost have to do it now. our meeting and sitting down and going through. losing a few brain cells over this discussion. So with that, I am done, I'll answer any questions. Thank you Bill. Yes, verify me. I think that just just for my clarification because I'm new to all this finance stuff with this but Looking at the information you had, you have different municipalities different populations. I would imagine there's lots of different variables here.

A lot of different strategic goals What what is the motivator between on the rates? I've seen between one point. eight. Seven zero up to five. What's a What's a common motivator with rule of thumb, that what a town would go with, do they have a higher rate to try to discourage certain industries or they have a lower retirement attract them or what? What is a rule? I mean, that's great, Chris I think it's combination of both.

So one of the things that we would want to do is so, it would work with get with the League and get with the State Department of Revenue and say for the incorporated areas of Santan, you know, you're trying to get because they have to filed business license, they have to pay the taxes Anyone who operates within that incorporated area is still currently paying classes. So we could try to figure out.

the mix of those businesses is a, Is there a lot of restaurants is there not very many restaurants, you know? So you would have to kind of look at that mix. and to determine what kind of rate you, you would want to implement because what you don't want to do to is go too high and they go okay, that drive over to Queen Creek. Isn't that bad? It's all good. So you don't want to make it so that you know they're going to go over there and waste gas for two dollars, say two dollars or whatever.

So you want to be still competitive, you want to look at what you want to look at making it lower in some areas just to try to drive business. If you don't have any hotels, Here you saw the rates for all the different hotels. You may want to keep it lower. That we used to drive those individuals to those businesses to come into Santana, to build a hotel.

So, there's a lot of different factors you could take into consideration when when you're coming, but I would probably look at the the areas like the, you know, the Gilberts and the Chandlers I wouldn't worry about them too much because they're so big and and, you know, they have a strong retail base already and so you want to build a retail base, what you want to do it in a way that, you know it's going to encourage to me. It's going to encourage development, not discour. Aged, thank you.

Any other discussion comments? I will say that we've had a presentations before and I think what the overarching theme was is that when it comes to this kind of taxes, you don't want to be too high, but you don't want to be too low. And we're also hearing that state shirt revenues aren't going to be enough.

However, I will say no disrespect to our neighboring cities and towns throughout the valley, but it's about time that the citizens of San Tan Valley, get to see those tax dollars coming back to this area. So, we're sorry that they may be a little chased, but we, we've also helped fund those cities and towns for quite a long time. So, Thank you, but it's time for us to Do what we need to do for our area. And so yeah, with the tax structure. Yeah. We want to be careful.

We want to be cognizant of the citizens and we want to implement a structure that is smart. that will help this area and this town to grow responsibly, but we don't want to drain the pockets of everyone in it. And that kind of, especially goes to property taxes. I don't think that's something that a lot of people are interested in. So we'll have to be aware. of that when the time comes.

So we appreciate your your insight and the numbers because it's kind of good because if you look at these numbers you'll see that we have a lot, a larger populace than what you had shown and so that gives everyone a little perspective of the size that we are compared to these towns. These cities that have been here for quite a long time and here we are. for the most part. We'll find out when we get our true census data coming out of the exact populist.

But we're upwards around 100,000 and that's a lot. So I thought I saw a hand in my peripheral Brent A couple things. First off, one of the items I brought up earlier was food tax, so we may not have the ability to, to collect a food tax after this legislative session, or after the vote in November and we did on the call today, check with other cities in Pinot County actually was yesterday. And almost all of them, have a 2% tax and their grandfather before the bill last year.

But that may be one thing that we not, we may not have in our pocket, the second one is we're hoping to get some direction from you guys tonight. And time is of the essence. And the reason I say that is we kind of and we know vote we just want to get a consensus from the Council. That you give us the authority to move forward with further research. And I think secondarily allow the city manager to spend some money to assist.

Because one of the things that we learned from Pat and Bill, the other day is we may have to enlist somebody. including the state and may have to pay them so that they can do, the research of who has tax numbers in this area within this boundary. And what types of taxes? Do they pay based on their business type, Because we don't think any of that information exists where we could just go to it.

We may have to pay somebody to pull some of that data to help us make the decision or to provide you the information to the make an educated. If that makes sense, and if I could just a little bit is on that. So we impact talk to Lee the other day too. And and we feel that, you know, there we should be able to come up with a general, kind of a ballpark figure of the sales tax are generated. What are the sales are within within Santan? So we could come up with something.

We think we won't know how it's exact it is until you actually implementarate and start collecting array. But we think we should come feel to come up with at least a ballpark figure. Um, so based on my discussions when we included like the rates. And yeah, I mean the rains will be. So, you know, the thing with the rates is that you'll just start at 1%.

1% will generate X and then you can just go from there, really, as to, you know, because the rates are it's just a you know, here's your taxable sales of 50 million dollars times, whatever your rate is. So you can kind of plug that into based, on a different categories. You can plug in a different rates, kind of calculate what that revenue generation is. And as rent has mentioned right now decided to go with Food consumption tax rate higher than 2% your restricted.

So that one based on your last year's legislation Caps at 2%. So you can go and say Well I want 2.5 Well no you're not Oh so but what happens Depending on what happens at the legislative level, we may not even it the way that Bill was written last year, unless things change, we actually can't have the food tax. so it's it's all dependent upon what may happen this session and I can't see it getting better for us, you know, I think they're right now.

Last year's bill significantly impaired our ability to do if the food tax and they didn't make a carve out for newly incorporated, towns and cities The legislature thought that the probability that happening was so minimal. They don't create extra language around it. So that's, we've been there before. Yeah, but again, that's that's right.

I think Lee would be able to come in and be able to because these, he's at the forefront of all of these legislative discussions he goes before to let you slayers talking about tpt or eight. And so you know, he's given that same presentation to them as you've received it too. So, you know, they're all aware of and they know we very well. So that's, you know, I would definitely want to involve Lee in any of these type of discussions.

Yeah, I think it's important for us to As we talked about stay shared revenues, this aren't going to be enough for the that we need for the town. and we're going to have to look into other avenues, other other areas but be responsible about how we go about it and what we try to to implement. That's very important to us.

And the citizens obviously So I I would think with the Council, I would feel that we we should give them direction to to start the process of going and doing that research and providing the information that will give us the best ability to make a decision. based on what's out there and what you bring back or what the experts bring back. So would we be in? I think that's important.

Um, I think really we need to get a good lay of the land in terms of what existing businesses are currently within town limits, and then again, once we play around with those numbers, we can get a better idea of what kinds of businesses. We want to start attracting, which you're going to give us more bang for above at least help us meet the vision that we all end up coming together on and how we want our town to look. So we really got to start playing around. Again, we got to be more creative.

Now, that food taxes are off the table. So, again, like I said, it kind of gives us a little bit better idea of where we want to go who we want to bring in. So I agree. I think we definitely want to get that research. Have something to up support our direction. And to be transparent with everybody, I think that's going to be a good move for us.

you know, I actually met one of these disgruntled finance directors, when you found out the incorporation guy he has when we're getting the money back and you know, it's here to stay here, stay with us. And so, you know I think this we have a responsibility, the research this and make sure that we're doing our stewardship. Well financially knowing whether our TPT situation, you know, the state Tpt was given interest-free for far too long and I'm glad those dollars are coming here.

We also have a stewardship responsibility at least research this. I think the staff should I do that. again, everyone's kind of familiar with the buzzwords. Now he's gonna talk about affordable. So we want to be mindful of our residents, we want to know too that sometimes these birds fall on us. So, Gabby balanced. You know, we gotta be realistic. We want to look at that. Just the impact of visitors but also our residents as well. So, Absolutely, let's get that information for for the town.

I believe Councilmember Tyler has something to say. Brian Tyler: Yeah, I I have questions, so I know that once we have all this, we have to turn it over to the voters for approval. If the voters come back and not approve, approve, what we put forward Garrett Glover: Not on. Brian Tyler: Are we able to work? Not on TV. Garrett Glover: On property tax. Yes. But not EBT. Brian Tyler: Okay. Okay, I misunderstood then. you know to go back.

I agree with with your your statement as is important to move forward with this to get this data so we can move forward with with getting the correct text tax rates for everybody. Garrett Glover: Just another quick question. Okay, it's another question. Are there any other surprises we need to be aware of on the legislative docket? over 1500 bills have been dropped. Yeah. And, you know, they haven't really started. They think they started having committee meetings this week.

I'll start giving you Maybe a bi-weekly legislative report and we will. Yes. Stick to the agenda's topic and try. That means on that just as an aside, as a joke. So any social media taxes? We can kind of too. So Yeah. There are a lot of TBT related. Bills out there. There's a lot of small ones. So, you know, that, that could impact us, there's one on utilities. and a couple other items but, you know, I don't know how that would affect how we Present our model tax code.

I don't know if If we just go with what we're going to do and then the changes might happen later. Typically, what you thinking that we do, okay, we we'd make our decisions based on the existing laws and change if we have to Okay. Okay, with that Bill, we thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for your presentation. Okay, we're gonna move on now to item number. C. This is a 7c. I should say, this is a presentation of Pinal County public works.

We have Joe Ortiz, he's with Pinal County Development Services, Managing Director, and Celeste, Garza, and now County. Deputy director of Public Works to present on this topic. So thank you for being here. And thank you for presenting before us. We appreciate what you have to present to us. Appreciate being here. That one on. The time. Working out, right. Testing testing. Garrett's on scene. That was a fast response time. Yes. We needed a hand, this mic off because it was that easy.

He's, yeah, he's got it now. Thank you, 30,000 pleasure to be here as you mentioned Joe Ortiz. Just wanted to do a quick intro on. and set the stage for the presentation that Celeste cars are the deputy director is gonna be doing here in a minute. She's gonna be doing the big lift. I'm just doing the setup, hopefully, she can stand up yet. So just go over, how we approach this presentation when we're asked to come forward.

The objective was more on the general, high level overview and presenting all the projects that are out there. Related to roadway type construction projects within the Santan Valley Town limits. was it necessarily to dive in a super deep detail on each individual one because there's quite a bit But I don't want to discourage, please add ask questions if you have. it like I said, I'm not necessarily want to dive into detail, but we could probably come back.

and get this to you take it digest it, I'm sure questions later after we leave if that's the case you know he's working through their brand, the town manager he has their name or number, he knows where we live. So you can always get back with us. We can set up another. Follow-up meeting with our staff and get those arrangements and give those answers for you. but like I said, I don't want to discourage if you have questions, go ahead and bring Up.

next, I'm just a good segue with the tpt and talking about revenue and with Roads, you're always talking about revenue, the special special revenue, being hurt Lvg, how we use the Revenue Fund vehicle license tax. That's, that's the big big players in this. But you also have the half cent excise tax that you're probably gonna be available for you as well. Just for awareness. Pinal County has already seen reductions in our Earth and BLT related to the incorporation.

They got is one that administers and distributes those revenues. So we have been seeing reductions since October of it's a small sample size, was tough to get the actual impacts of totality. But it does give us a flavor for what we're headed. So we're trying to use those numbers to evaluate what we need to do to adjust on our side. um, then, like I said that excise tax itself, that's another revenue source that I'm sure you guys going to be utilizing.

but that's probably something after July 1, I believe so. So with that, I'd like to turn it over less and show dive into the details, but I'll be here to help support. So, thank you. Good evening, Mayor members to counsel. My name is Celeste Carson. The deputy public works director. Sequence thing. Can you hear me, hopefully? Maybe we got you. Okay, good. All right, so let's get to the clicker. So let me give you some some background to me here, personally.

So, um, I graduated college in 2004 and I bought a home in Circle Cross Ranch in 2004. So I lived in San Tan Valley for three years. I drove on wood. When it was only two lane, but highway when it still had stop signs. So I wanted to provide some background so that you guys can see some of the revenue that we've kind of invested over the course of the last 20 years. As we sit here today. So 2006, you know, we we bonded for the effort on ironwood.

We made those improvements all the way from Bella Vista. North to US. 60 was about 65 million dollars. And then over the course, the last 10 years. I myself and our team, we've put in a lot of effort on highway why you need several phases working on gamzel.

The county will have obligation to a bond of a 2.18 million dollar effort to pay that over the course of the last several years, even beyond, you know, you guys revenues and what you guys accommodate you know, are planning to use for your transportation. We'll pay that one until 2034. We've done some improvements to Magma Road. We've also invested in the Meridian Road, corridor, with the town of Queen Creek.

So the way I kind of formatted the presentation was kind of going over a map that hopefully, There we go. So um this map is going to be a part of the meeting there for you all to use and forever. Are either underway. We recently completed or attending projects that were kind of, you know, things to consider over the course next. Year. So, let's get into the details here. Combs in Kenworthy is the first project that I'm highlighting here.

The county completed, some widening on homes between 10worthy and Chef, and also, for the Queen Creek watching. those, it was an investment about 24 million in developer contributions, highways revenue funds development impact fees and I put some of these Funding dollars on there. So that when you have your budget retreat that you kind of put some perspective around how much transportation costs because it's very expensive.

I know The finance director before us talked about public safety, but this one's right up there next to public safety. As far as one of your largest capital assets in your most expensive. One the next project I just wanted to highlight a couple of our traffic signals. We put in the traffic signal at Gansel. No garrette for circle cross in the internship community.

We also set a temporary signal, it can wear the amount to you, that permanent signal will be multifamily project at the corner of penalty and And then lastly is an older a little bit older project but we did some, we build chasing on Hunt Highway in Arizona farms set a traffic signal there is where a temporary traffic signal also with our highway user revenue fund and our excise tax which is our gas tax.

so some of the projects that are in design as far as traffic signals we've got a signal plan to add empire in Thompson and parents Spring Valley and then one that will be under construction soon at Gary Road in Don Lane. This is just south the Walmart property. on Serves a lot of the Santan Heights folks that live down there trying to make it. so that one is within the boundary that we will continue to work through and we've budgeted and we will build that one hopefully before the end of June.

and then another project that we have underway is, The lighting up on highway, we often get questions about this one. This one is still within the unincorporated. Boundary it is a joint effort with the town of Florence. It's about 35 million that will invest over the next two years. We're working through some Gila River, Indian community acquisitions and we'll begin the project. this summer. Hopefully in August on the south and near Franklin and work our way up to the Magic Ranch community.

And then Skyline Drive is another connection that we're hoping to start construction very soon on. this is, this would be from the sharberry alignment in Circle. Cross over that will put in a new connection, a new traffic signal.

and in other, east-west way for folks, to travel regionally through this area, And then our Really regional transportation priority that we tried to focus for the from the state and legislators on is our state Route, 24 extension, we've invested, you know, close to six to seven million dollars on design work to climate hopefully levy. Some of our Politicians to help us champion this very hefty price tag that you see on the construction dollars there.

But once we get it to a point where we've completed the concept report will definitely be trying to apply for federal discretionary grants and possibly some build funds that the build program is out right now for application. So that might be an opportunity here. So, future planning efforts, these are projects that are in the next coming fiscal years that are on our capital plan. Some of them are funded via the excise tax. Some of them were planned funds via the highway user revenue funds.

we didn't want to make, you know, we we wanted to provide these to you for you you know, make some considerations on whether you feel. This is where funding should be allocated. two of those are corridor projects, Bella Vista and Jeff Road. This whole area that we're sitting in today is is 30,000 Platin. Lots so it's a lot of people that are going to be living here that need a regional route and Bella. They cannot accommodate it and neither can Chef Road.

So these are corridor studies that are going to look at what is the alignment going to look like? How much right away? Do we need how much would construction cost? So they're high level overview. Documents that provide that takes for you, all to consider in the future. Gamble Road. It's it's 20 years old and they need some rehabilitation. So that was a two million dollar maintenance project that we had on the books. Stagecoach Pass.

This is a small project and just north of here that we were to do it cheap so project on Empire. Sharing carrier All also rehabilitation projects that need an overlay. They need the asphalt taken down a couple inches and replaced having maintenance project. There's a lot of traffic signal needs in the area, which I'm sure folks. Can attest to the developers surrounding are working on some of those permanent ones.

Like, I mentioned Kenworthy Nakatil cancel, and I'll park a lane is over south of the McDonald's property on Gamzel South about to you. And Sensen is another one that's just south of there. Target the access road on Gownsville Road. I'm sure you all have seen them, the temporary signal. There's a permanence work into the development process and Queen Creek. And there's several.

Traffic signals related to both that relevance the road and that chef road corridor that need to get installed some time in the near future. And then obviously there's a few on skyline and cancel as well. Topic signals run about 1.2 to 1.4 million feet. Safety projects. So, Countywide safety, improvements. Several have surfaced in the area and some of these may have been captured in that vision, Zero study that Brent had mentioned earlier.

Hunt, Highway Walmart, the timing between Gary and signals. I know everybody gets a little backed up in that location so I think that's one of the things that we had on the books will complete Gansel and cones. We need to do. we're doing some turnling striping which I think was actually done yesterday, But there's some configuration that the school district wanted us to change in that intersection, canceling, Pecan Creek. There's a radius there.

Not folks need right Taylor Ranch Parkway, there's some signing and curb striping and race pavement markers. And then Florence Unified School, District is planning some school zone, enhance enhancement projects, which is basically putting up some feedback signs for folks to slow down during school hours. There's several over here on the right. Right hand side that are future, you know planned whether you guys like to fund them or not. Bella Vista and Highway is you continues to be a problem.

Childhood folks making left hand turns so that's one you're gonna see Westbrook over on the northern portion of the town and then various locations along. I know this is a lot of information so you know digest it and will certainly be back. I'm almost certain we'll be back. So, our Transportation Advisory Committee. This is our committee that is appointed by the Board of Supervisors. It's 10 Member Committee, two of those committee members live in the San Tan area.

And they vote on our excise tax and how it should be funded. There were 16 requests submitted in the town boundary. 96 of those came from that. Bella Vista Highway intersection at a fatality that happened that that location. 11 of those projects are either already on the plan or did not qualify and five of those projects we rate for the committee. This is considering a budget cycle of fiscal year 2930, Obviously we're not the jurisdiction anymore in the town, boundary.

So we, we told the committee that we would certainly rank those five projects as we would normally and then they can be provided to you for consideration for the future. So there's several of those are safety enhancements and a few roadways rehabilitations. The Flood Control District, I wanted to highlight this our county engineer couldn't be since today but he oversees our flight control district and just wanted to provide some basic information.

You know, the Flood District is a countywide taxing authority. It is a secondary property tax that everyone pays the board of directors. The Board of Supervisors future projects are through an IgA. Typically this project in particular that's highlighted in green is a regional training. Master plan where we're looking at the entire area, all the new development and seeing whether our old master plan is correct in the way it envisions stormwater management in this area. Go ahead, right?

I've been working with the drainage engineer for the county. We're hoping to get him out here on the fourth and if not on the fourth, he'll be here on the 18th. Great. Yeah, let me know because I think we have some questions about drainage here and what's great is this project has been moving forward and he now has information. He can share. So, thanks. Thanks, go to Josh. Yes. Yes. And he'll come in present some of the findings of that study.

I'm sure there's some projects that come out of that. Study that some improvements that can be can be made for their area. So we are happy Joe and I are happy to answer any questions you might have. Okay, I think we will have some questions, so we'll start with Vice Mayor. I have three. the first one, it's meeting with a lot of constituents in the Solera neighborhood, as a subset of Johnson Ranch off Hunt Highway there. They've got an exit come out of the neighborhood.

That's very unsafe, 55 plus community trying to get out people are flying down that road. I saw that additional signals. I didn't see that as an option on there and I'd like to put that on the record of something. We should consider putting a signal there, just to the states, you have our senior residents, we're trying to come out on highway. The second one is I would not get CEO. I was curious if you guys knew the history it's not a normal traffic signal.

It's one that goes diagonal, the the metal pole that goes up and over. Wondering, if you guys know any of the history behind that decision, the reasoning for it. Obsession. Is that iron would not continue. Yes, I do. So the the solaria intersection when we whitened Hunt Highway, we did a warrant analysis to determine whether a traffic signal warranted at the time in 2019 and it did not that the solar community does have a secondary access off of Gary which I know can be problem. Child.

Now today, but that's the reason that a signal wasn't planned. But that doesn't mean that another analysis can be done to see if it warrants today delays. or typically the reason or accidents and high fatality rates. So, yeah, I appreciate I drove it myself as well. And it does feel that intimidating. Oh right out there, but I appreciate that. If you guys, if there's a process for that, looking to evaluate, I'd love to. Yeah, I can certainly get that over to you.

The upside down staple at Ironwood nocateo. The reason that it was placed that way is because of the Western area power authority lines. That you see that run adjacent to ironwood? Yes, they can only be so close to attracting signal and the reason for the staples is because of that because we couldn't fit in the Lumineers in the heads and everything. When we build the White Meat Project, Great, that's really helpful. I was just curious.

And then the third one is I had sent over to staff some signage in Santiam Valley that you can't read the street names because they're melting. And I I was gonna go drive by to see if those were completed. I know they're cute. I was curious as a status update on when those would be completed. You know, their order, I don't know, think and replace quite yet. Yes, we've got them on order. We're gonna get those illuminated science. Great. Thank you.

I have a question in regards to the the big apartment complex on. Bella, Vista and Gansel. like as far as traffic, I mean I I mean, it just Yeah. So, I'm just wondering, is there. Stuff in the wall. You know, projects in the works. has it been thought out, like when you did the development agreement, with the complex on then providing exits so that they're not all coming out in that already busy. Area.

Yes, you know and Chris is probably the best one to answer this question, Unfortunately, it's not here, but I do know that. There is a traffic signal that will warrant just north of the Bella, Vista intersection where they have the main entrance that shared by the departments and the residential that we were planning impact these for the future. Okay. Bill. Yeah, they do a traffic impact analysis. Yeah, project. So that, okay, so that'll be time though, you know, probably after It's filled up.

Do you know do you have any idea how many Yeah. By chance or no, it just looks like a lot. Yeah. Okay, that's less. Could you have Chris to shoot me? The Tia, absolutely either Harvey's here. Maybe Harvey can shoot me. The Tia and I'll get it up to the council so you can see so, the way traffic, We figure out the units. Thank you. Any other council members? Oh, the question. So again, when I just want to have more clarification on determination of where we put traffic signals versus stop signs.

Maybe you can just kind of go into greater detail for us because I know it's been reflected in the past meetings. The you know that me for more traffic safety, you mentioned something again about you know, traffic and then accident, right? So are there triggers. you know, How can we circumvent that if there's a pressing need because they use a couple stop signs somewhere.

If the traffic signals are too expensive and I say that coming from sort of north saint and valley over at the Okatio and I would area we have that median that everyone tries to kind of the race across the road or try to turn in. And then again with with the influence of traffic from the, you know, 24 Now I feel like it's got even heavier. So we have a lot of people trying to maneuver with all this incoming and traffic. So what can we do?

So the the Regulation for Traffic signals and stop signs is federally, you know, mandated it's a manual uniform for Traffic Control Devices section, and it lists its ways that a traffic signal can warrant. And I think it has to meet three of warrants to install it traffic signal. So, there's federal requirements that every city, every agency has to meet in order to get those installed. They can't just be we oftentimes get, you know, just go put up a stop sign to slow down traffic.

We can't we can't legally because folks will, then not pay attention to the stop sign. Someone could get into it and then the county's health liable which Future would be town so I can I can get it to you just because Chris is our county engineer. He's also operates our traffic engineering division so I can definitely get that information to And really disabled explain it to constituents so because it's such that. So it's like a myth behind it. Yes. But was that acronym? Again, the mutcd you.

So Let's what she said is exactly correct, and so, it's all types of traffic control. Not just traffic signals. You talked about the eight warrants for traffic signals. Typically have to meet a minimum of two warrants and less. It's a safety one. The challenge is, and that's why so much study and engineering goes into. This is installing a traffic signal, isn't always the safest solution. It can actually make the situation worse depending upon the volume of traffic.

The signage of the speed, the eight hour, warrant the 12 hour, warrant, 24 hour, warrant the number of pedestrians in the area but it's the same for for stop signs. Two way, stop sign or traffic control intersection versus four way. So there's an engineering now. That you complete, that helps make the determination of what is the the safest and most pragmatic way to deal with a situation then ultimately. we've got the attorney sitting next to me here.

these guys and then your risk management, folks, let you know if, if it doesn't meet those standards, then you're highly liable if there is a fatality or an injury accident, so perhaps we could have Chris come out another day and kind of talk to us about the metcd and traffic signals because there's such a vast number that exists. There, what typically happens is, is the, the county is part of a development. Have the developer do what's called a traffic signal? Warrant.

analysis and that's usually based on existing numbers with the development and then future numbers that are regional with the development to determine when that signal signal may be warranted and then oftentimes you do a updated signal warrant study at some interval based on the results of the traffic impact study. So perhaps of Chris could come out and kind of talk us through that because we do get a lot of questions about Absolutely, one more. Thank you guys.

First off, just how much you guys have done? I know the circumstances were very difficult with us being an unincorporated community with such a large population. You guys have done the best, you can underneath the circumstances, which is why we're glad that we've incorporated and we can start to address some of these things here locally.

But just first off, thank you because you guys have been in the trenches for so long and dealing with trying to address the transportation issues here in San Tan What wisdom would you pass on to this council to our staff of how to approach this area? Or there's things that you would point out? We just love to to know what wisdom you guys have passed on. you the wisdom, I would pass is Your next agenda item. To get development to pay their own way, honestly. Yes. You sold my thunder, too.

reality. Yeah you look at you. Look at some of the revenue that's gonna be coming in through here. Yeah, that's a lot of money but reality the cost of these projects are just and I think part of our problem that we had in the past as a county was we weren't we weren't out in front of these impact fees to have development pay for their impacts, so we were always paying catch up, you have the opportunity to Take it up and run with it. So, You know, the developers probably hear me right now.

That's all that's wisdom or not. But Um, before we take over the roads, can the county please pay for on Gallantville Road to time all the lights together. Put that be everywhere. Yeah, it should be. I know it's an expensive proposition, but I do have a question on Counsel Road. There's the portion back in the day when Queen Creek annexed. It was a half street takeover. It's still that today. So Creek owns half.

and so the county has to work with Queen Creek on road improvements and funding to Improve that road and pave and everything. Correct? Correct. Yeah. That's that's another point of wisdom. Is maybe whenever you did the annexation It was it was done for the purpose that she needed. I got it but it was done in such a Fast passion, that fast pace. That there are some of those issues float out there with you. They're half annexations. So we have half the road. You have half the road.

You may have the same thing that we have with Queen Creek and those end up being problem. Children down the road. when it comes to plan for infrastructure whatever there's an accident. Who's the It's all depends on whose side of the road. It happened on that that really creates issues and problems. But yeah, from a financial standpoint, maybe we'll let you take over all those happy. no, no reality.

We sit down with other cities and towns and we walk through these and it ends up being partnership because there's some areas where it would make more sense for this town to take it. But there are other areas where it makes more sets, they're kind of outliers that make more sense for the county to Up. So we end up in either.

Transition or transferring those right aways or will enter into some type of IgA with you to define whose authority who's going to take the role so question on cancel right there where that target is, that's a developer light right now, correct? Who's putting the permanent one? Is that a joint venture between Queen Creek and Pinal County? Really. It's it's art development helpers pushed. Okay, we did. There you go. That was one of our but to maintain peace.

With it was a problem because the West side was Queen Creek the east side was Pinal County. but at the time of development, the developments fall on the Queen Creek side of it. So, there was a lot of miscommunication on, who was, who was gonna do, what? Because reality, we have a agreement that we are, the ones taken the full maintenance of the pole right away and all the signals in there.

so we were able to finally negotiate with Creek and Developer and developers actually going to pay for those Okay, discuss. Going forward that you know, that impacts the town and taking over those streets and working with Queen Creek. I guess it is another question on in your presentation, you had a future projects or those on the books already for Pinal County. they are on our capital plan because if we were still assuming the town's revenue, right?

So I think Joe started the conversation about whether, you know, we would still have the funding those years out. And we wouldn't because essentially some about scholars would be going to you. You know, it was mainly to put down on paper for your awareness that it was on our radar because the constituents came to us and we found some issues with it. So we just pass on you for your awareness and on the projects that are currently process. Um, you know, come July 1st.

It's a different story, but you guys are working hard to get those completed correct. We're gonna do our best. Okay, that's important for the town who want to make sure Okateo Road between Schnapp and Ironwood. That's supposed to be improved in white, and right, especially at the King where these section With the developers there. Because I know you, there's all the temporary light that's gonna be a permanent light but it will be.

And when I think there's a future agenda item in February where our county engineer and our, our planning manager are going to come through and go through all of the development and the land use and the zoning. So, at that time, he can touch on the status of site plans. Commercial site, plans like those To family projects residential subdivisions, where they are in the queue as well, whether they've been accepted or they're in your construction.

So they'll that will be a great time to kind of go over some of those construction people or 18, February 18th. That's an important day for us for. Um, and I just want to say, I I went on and some of us did went on a tour with a supervisor Goodman. And I just want to reiterate the excitement and joy that he had as his little of Kenworthy Bridge. Because when it was raining, it did its job and there was no flooding.

And he was about as static as you could be to see all those dollars being used properly. And finally, putting a proper bridge in and not trying to Go. The different route in the past. So any other questions or discussions? Thank you. We really do. Appreciate you guys being here and presenting before us. We look forward to some future ones, too. Okay. Now, with that, that will bring us to My information here, that'll take us to. Item. Number D, That's a development impact.

Fee, study will have that presented by Brent Billions Etown Manager. It's an overview of the proposed infrastructure, improvement, plan and development impact fee analysis, including Scope Timeline and Deliverables. Brent. Take it away, Mr. Mayor Members of Council Can you hear me? That was a really good $20. Well, spent with Celeste earlier, Just kidding, just kidding.

But what a great lead in in terms of the development impact fee item here There are so many balls in the air right now for the very limited staff that exists exists for Santan Valley, but some of those items that are and should be right at the top of that list have to do with sustainability and our future financial health, in order to provide provide and meet the expectations that the voters had when they made the decision to incorporate, One of the key.

items to have development pay its own way and to support infrastructure is the ability to utilize development impact fees. So I put together a few We make sure that's the right one? Yes. So I just have a few slides. I'll go through it. Real quick development impact. Fees are one-time payments that are that are for growth related infrastructure.

They're not tied to maintaining existing roads or to improving roads that need to be improved because they're behind the times and they need to be wide and it has to be tied to specifically future needs based on future development. So it's new development new impact on existing infrastructure. That's usually paid one of two ways. At the start of the building permit process and at CFO or at CFO. different cities and counties do it a different way.

But the important thing is those funds are not available before the house is put in you, get those funds in in the rears and Joe was kind of mentioning that before. So it's it's a revolving fund specifically for regional improvements that have to be identified as part of a study. It can't be used for operations. It can't be used for maintenance. It can't be used for for replacement.

So for example, for entities that have a public safety impact fee for fire and police, they can't replace an old fire truck or our old used up. Police cars are trying to replace Crown VIX from 2001 can be used for that. It can be used for new cars because new officers are required. because there's more police required because the population group, that's the importance about development impact fees, it's not a tax.

It's more of a contractual relationship that's based on on state, statute and exists in a number of states. Arizona isn't the only one and Arizona didn't invent development impact fees. They have, we have to show and eat. So as part of it, you have to actually do a study to determine what the need is and to focus on the investments that are going to be made. And what we call level of service with all which I'll get into next. They have to have a benefit to the payer of the service.

So if it's a for transportation, you need to show the developer, that's building the 30,000 houses, that Celeste said that, those funds that are collected go to regional improvements to benefit the residents of those 30,000 houses, and it has to be proportionate, which means it has to be tied to real dollar amounts. So on the transportation side, for example that cost per lane mile has to relate to cost per lane mile of actually doing that construction in today's dollars. That makes sense.

Now level of service. Many of you maybe be familiar with level of service based on transportation discussions. And oftentimes, when we do studies on the transportation front, we say level of service A through E, It actually goes to E, not just to F like our grades in school, but as you can imagine a is, is really good and he is not moving at all. So what what we have to do is determine what the existing level of services and what it takes financially to maintain that level of service over time.

Why Development Impact? Fees Infrastructure capacity is essential. There's no better example. That could be used Incentive Valley. I've worked majority of my 30-year career in Arizona and in Pinal County and I do recall, what happened in 2007 2008 and 2009.

When so many people walked away from their mortgages here in San Tan Valley and elsewhere and and now county, but a lot of the driver of that was lack of infrastructure and as, as Joe and Celeste shared, but now County then invested a lot of money in bonding future revenues to do improvements on things like ironwood cancel, for example, or highway.

that allowed the growth that is now occurring in San Tan Valley, as we see levels of service, go down because of that same type of growth, it's material is materializing again over time. It's to minimize externally associated, no growth sentiment. And when I say that, I would reflect on. So you thought, for example, City of Flagstaff where they have made decisions to not improve regional transportation infrastructure to use that as a way to Slow down growth or control growth.

That's not what this is for. This is for collecting funds for a government entity, to deal with the externalities for the public's, good for the public's benefit. Impact fees versus negotiated agreements. One of the questions that frequently comes up in the government. World is Why don't you do a development agreement? Everybody's probably heard of a development agreement, development.

Agreements were a hot topic in the early 2000s and and for a lot of entities around the state and have county including the county. Joe was here at the time in the county, a lot of large developments, they all had an individualized, development agreement. Well, the problem with the development agreement is things change over time the size of lots change over time. The standards by which construction is done, either roadways or houses, or or utility systems change over time.

The beautiful thing about an impact fee is it's it's for 10 years of improvements. It has to be Bent within 10 years. If you collected and the study has to be updated every five years. So, the cost per lane mile, for example, on a transportation project is updated, at least every five years to stay relevant. To the product, to the demand, to the cost, to do the improvements in a great comprehensive planning, economic development and revenue strategies.

Like I said before, there's an actual social economic study that occurs to to generate need and level of service. Then there's what's called an IIP which is essentially an improvement program that's associated with each of the different types of funds that are, that are you're going to collect for a development impact fee. And it's tied to real information and real needs.

There are essentially three different ways that are allowed in Arizona, state law to what we call methodologies for how you do your planning associated with development impact fees. The first one is the way that a lot of folks did it years ago Which was? take a look at the existing plans. Take a look at the areas where the existing growth that growth occurs, identify the improvements that are needed. and then set up a model to recover those costs.

So as an example, I would provide City of Maricopa when I was there. When we did our second development impact fee, study specifically for transportation. The only thing we included in the study was the outside lanes on arterial routes. So the plan is six length facilities with the turn lane in the middle. We only collected on the outside lane of that six lane section.

So anything on the interior of that was going to be the responsibility of the developer or the town before you got into that regional improvement. That would be an example of a cost recovery approach a known improvement, over a time, frame to recover that cost. the incremental approach. This is likely. What we'll do if you allow us to move forward with the diff study, essentially when you use an incremental approach, you take a look at individual road segments of regional routes.

So arterial routes within your area and gentlemen, sitting over here to my left. I don't recall his name, but he does hpms for a living, which is the way that federal government tracks, functional classification, roadway needs traffic and level of service. He's an expert, he's time keep checking to see if he's nodding his Adrian. Adrian.

So we We we know a lot of saying, people do a lot of the same things and incremental approach will have a list of projects based on functional classification hpms classification and volume of traffic as determined by growth patterns over time That is likely what we'll do. The other option is a plan based approach and some time, we might arrive there. That's when you've built out. A lot of your infrastructure. Let's look at Tempe as an example. You've built out a lot of your infrastructure.

Your roads are as white as they're going to be but you know that you may need to do a regional improvement. Like the Broadway curve and you want to collect a fee. So you can contribute to that regional improvement. It's specific to that project. The financing of that project over that time year that 10 year time period.

Limitations of the plan based approach and Pinal county's Old, If study as a matter of fact, was a plan based approach, then you're tied to those specific projects that specific time frame and the cost to do that individual project. That would be a bad idea from Santa's perspective we want to list the projects. so therefore we can do any of those projects. We want to cost per lane mile, we want to level of service example. And in that way, the Council will approve, okay?

We need to do four and a half lane miles in the next 10 years. Not a specific project four and a half lane miles. We'll collect for the four and a half lane miles. We can use that money on any of those increments that exist in that program, that makes sense. In terms of the era statutes them themselves. And I mentioned this before when you do a diff study, there's essentially three separate documents.

It won't look that way when it's produced, there's the land use assumptions, which is what I call the socioeconomic analysis. There's the infrastructure. Improvements plan or IIP, that's a 10 year plan of improvements and then there's the actual fee study itself where you link level of service to needs to to make sure that you can, at least manage the existing level of service over time with the fees that you collect.

There are a number of different things that you can collect development impact. fees for. and our state. My recommendation at this point is we should be looking at transportation or streets. And parks. there. We don't have the basis to collect impact fees for for anything else. We don't have the water system. We don't have the wastewater system. We don't fire department. We don't have a police department so we can't do public safety. So I think parks and streets is is where we will end up.

It's a little wonky. It's different than our typical process for ordinances in terms of what you have to do. There's a very specific process that occurs with development impact fee adoption and there's two different processes that occur. They Lap. But the, the wild thing about them is once you start down this road, you cannot stop because you have to meet these deadlines. And not only do you have to act within a certain amount of time if you don't act, just start over.

So I just threw that up there as an example of what this would look like, but essentially, what I'm asking, the Council for tonight is the ability to move forward immediately. with tishler vice who does they probably do? 95% of the impact fee, studies, in Arizona, they're a national company. They're out of Virginia.

The important thing here is Joe and I've been working with Tishler vice for a year to do the development impact fee, study for Plano County and something that not everybody knows County was nice enough. to actually include Santan Valley in the analysis for all the road segments and all the socioeconomic analysis, even though it was likely that we were going incorporate. They went ahead and did that work to lower the cost for us. So big, thanks.

Go out to Pinal County, and Joe, and his team for for doing that. that. And with that, there any questions? Questions from the Council. Did we state the cost in the official costs 55,000? I think is is what it is. That's Mayor Council that that actually falls within Brent's, spending authority. So that is something that he can do on his own and I think what we're looking for as well is just general guidance confirmation that council would like to move down this path of development impact.

These more generally if that's something council one of the count, one of the county do that study included Santan Valley. That's the beautiful thing. There's isn't done yet and they haven't gotten into the public process.

So the thought would be if we if we move quickly and expeditiously our public process and their public process would be generally at the same time, adoption would be generally at the same time and it allows us hopefully to be able to have those fees instituted about the time that we officially become a city so we don't lose out on on revenue. And and also gives us the ability to have a close comparison with the county in of their fee structure.

And as for clarity, the impact, these would be something that we would have to implement in order to collect moving forward. No retro nothing like that and go backwards as one everyone does understand that. And the other thing that I would point out is and I don't want to overstep Joe but Joe stayed But now County has finance some streets that are now in our area. Mainly I think Hunt Highway and you saw how that that funding they're going to be paying that back so I think 2037, right?

I wouldn't surprise me in the least. If Pinal County doesn't come to us and says, Can you help service this debt till 2037 on the projects on this project that's in your boundary? I would expect that would likely Okay. And then just a reminder to the Council that we believe, it was last meeting that we approved the dollar amount for the town manager to be able to use and that is like Council said is well within that range.

So Do we have a consensus with the Council to allow the town manager to go forward with this? Tishler by vice. So, the Councilmember Tyler, do you have any comments or questions? Brian Tyler: No, I think it's absolutely imperative that we move quickly on this. I mean, that's Things that this community needs. So, yes, I'm in agreement. Garrett Glover: Okay, so it sounds like we are in agreement. Brent to, let's move forward with this.

I think this is something that we need to implement and get going on, so, thank you. Okay. gets us. I don't know if you're leaving too far, Brent. Looks like you and the And counselor up on the next legislative update for item number E, this is a discussion regarding hp2273 and hb2106 which is concerning to allocation of previously collected pinal County, transportation excite tax revenues to specify roadways and transportation projects.

And these are two big ones that we just recently found out some information on. So we'll let Brent have the floor again. Thank you so much, Mr. Mayor members of Council that was a perfect lead-in. It It was a big surprise. honestly. Earlier this week one, I was letting know that a bill had dropped sponsored by Representative Martinez, out of Casa Grande called House, Bill 2273.

And for anybody in the audience as soon as I found out about the bill, I sent it out to the council and then got with Allen to see if we could put it on the agenda.

Not as part of the legislative for but to put it on as an agenda item so that to give council the ability to kind of give us some direction on these two bills, they both have to do with the 45 million dollars estimated That exists from the half cent sales tax that was approved by the Pinal County voters in 2017 and subsequently was subject to a lawsuit from the Goldwater.

Institute, where the county lost All that money was collected and there had to be a determination on what happens with those funds. The state put forth a process by which individual vendors could claim a reimbursement. Of that tax that have been collected and that has been ongoing for a couple of years. It ends in April, but I think there's about 45 million dollars, that that exists what what you see?

And house bill 2273 is a list of 12 Different projects throughout our entities and projects throughout Pinal County that make up, that remaining amount. The one thing that isn't there is a project incentive now and entity that makes up about a fifth of the population of Bunnell County has a third of the total lane miles of roads in Finale County and obviously, a lot of the traffic and and congestion that exists in Final County. So, I wanted to get this out to everybody.

This is one of the bills that was dropped. Another one is called House Bill 2106. It also is dealing with the remainder of those funds from that half-cent sales tax. But this bill A different approach. It recommends that those remaining funds be provided to adopt the Arizona Department of Transportation to distribute for projects that fall within Pinal County. I'm told there's a third bill that's been dropped and maybe a fourth. I just don't have copies of them as of today.

I was told the third bill is to take that those monies and provide them to put our county for for distribution on projects around the county new issue. was a surprise to hear it, but I wanted to be able to to brief the council. And then what I'm hoping to get is some feedback on whether the way that most entities do it is, do you support the bill? And that support the bill or oppose it or you agnostic on the bill. So if we could get that on these, that that would be good.

So from a staff perspective, can take a position. I got a question on the HP 2106, putting that into the hands of a dog. What's the guarantee that those a doubt will make the decision that Santand Valley needs those funds and certain projects That that I think is still out there as it could be a no. What is your filling and read on that? Alan and I sat in a meeting yesterday. Where that was brought up with all the cities and towns in Pinal County. That was on that legislative call.

and what I heard was all of the cities in towns, we didn't take a position but all of the cities in towns. Told the county because Tammy Rile, who's their government affairs? Person for the county was the one presenting it. They all told Tammy. No, we do not want the funds going to Adot because they will include overhead costs and we won't have a determination in terms of priorities and it could go to be funding design or environmental clearance instead of actual construction.

So, what we heard in that meeting was we would prefer it not go to And you're saying that there's a could be one or two other house bills out there, that could then help decide how the funds get distributed, we have to build them yet. We don't know. So we're not sure yet. So, In the town's position on both these bills. Yeah, this is something that we need to give direction to staff on. I know personally, I was a little baffled by the first hp-2273 where Santan Valley got zero.

And the citizens help pay into that. And we got nothing back. And I would say for one that that should be an opposition to that bill in my wisdom estimation or might my belief, but it's up for the council if you have any thoughts on that too and mayor Council members for this particular item, the Council can take up a formal vote and that would then create formal town position that we could convey to stakeholders and legislators. We take a vote for both or one for both totally up to the council.

They are to received kind of different items I just thought of something. I shared what I heard on the meeting yesterday. But I think you asked me for my personal opinion. so, in terms of adot projects in Pinal County, if that decision was just to send the funds to ADA to distribute, I would just point out what those projects are one is state Route, 347 widening? That's one of the projects in this county. Another one is I-10 widening between Casa Grande and regroup. That's the second project.

The third project is State Route, 24 Extension, And the fourth project. is North-South Corridor, which is currently in the Tier two EIS phase. So from a statistics basis and you know, if I was a betting man, which I'm not two of the four projects in in theory would directly positively impact sentence and we can't rule the Canal Parkway in there because that's a county level county level it you know, improvements So this is a 21:06.

Are you seeing weekly potentially supported with these draws, with these carve outs or caveats, or It's it's so early. There's so much to happen. These haven't gone to committee yet I'm sure they're going to be rewritten. There's going to be changes, maybe they don't even make it to committee. We're just hoping for a little bit of direction from you guys because I'm sure we're going to be asked by the league, how we feel about them, you know, curtain.

I'll keep you guys up to speed if I find those other bills but It's always just good to inform the council and the public when something important like this comes up and get some feedback. That makes I'm with the mayor in opposition to each be 2106. I'm curious where we're representatives stands on that one. Well, both of these bills were introduced by Miss Martinez and 2273, which is the, the one that the mayor was talking about was also, black men, Carter Lopez Marshall and way.

So our two were were sign on. They sign on to the bill. Love to hear from them. Why they wouldn't include set onto a bill that is not a food santan values paid into all of this. yeah, and hopefully that wasn't a process where they just put their name on it without reading the bill. I know, sometimes that does happen in the legislative level, but Even then it's important oversight.

I would echo again, my colleagues here as written strong opposition for one, it's, it's an oversight and important oversight. And again with data, like I said, they're no guarantees. So we want to make certain we give as much assurance as possible to our residents that again, we are on the map and that they are included in whatever legislation comes out of there. So Yeah, I say I agree with everyone that on the 2273, it's an opposition for me. The 21:06 though.

That that's a different that I think there's more there to still come out. We don't know what these other bills are gonna include. I'm not opposed to a Todd with those projects that do. directly benefit sanhan Valley in the perimeter 24 505. in. Maricopa down there, boy, they are hurting then they could use that 347 right over that area. Um so that one is a little, I'm not sure yet on that one. But definitely the first one I It depends on what the next bill is.

So it's hard to give you something on it, right at this moment but could be agnostic for me, but it. Yeah, the one thing that did come up yesterday is in general, the groups feeling was if they have until April to do the reimbursements and the claims for reimbursements, why don't we wait till next? Legislative session to determine how to distribute it. Once we know what the balance of funds is because right now, it's just kind of like playing with monopoly money. Disappointed clarification.

I said earlier, hp2106 event 2273 On that first Bill. As far as the dipping up like the mayor and I have been on a covert mission to try and find that out. right? It's like they back this but without anything I mean was this done pre. Like Korean Corporation maybe and they didn't. So I will tell you Mike my first thought when I saw this the other day. And I think I mentioned that in the email that I sent to the Council.

My first thought was well they must have used the study that went in the text of the bill to, to list the projects. But then I opened it. I think I sent you guys a copy of it, then I looked at the projects and the projects in the study for the tax are different than then what's in here. So I don't know how they were developed, or who developed listening, you know.

we do know, is that Saint Ann Valley is not in it so that I don't think beans at the citizens of San Tan, Valley have paid attacks into it. And if they're gonna give that back, I say, we opposed to two seven three. I think we should probably take two separate votes on each one. Because I don't know how the other council married Councilmember. Tyler Online Do you have any thoughts? Brian Tyler: Yeah, I mean 2273 I think's absolutely horrible that we weren't mentioned as part of that.

So I think that's very short-sighted of that representative to not include anything in this area. as far as 21:06. I'm a little bit back and forth on that one. It all depends on how much money Adot wants to allocate towards this area. I mean, it's, he said, 45 million dollars. yet they're spending 40 million dollars of that son, 347 and 5 out here.

I would be an opposition to that, but I would love to see how they want to allocate that money before I would say if they want to spend most that money on developing the 24, which would help, you know, Garrett Glover: Okay. Brian Tyler: A few hundred thousand people out here in this area. I would be all for that.

So yeah, I'm kind of agnostic as in agreement with the mayor on 216 until I see more of the language on that, but in opposition of 2273, Garrett Glover: And again, just to underscore on what you mentioned. Brian's just about the potential for skimming. So, again just reminding everyone, there is that as well.

So we want to be certain that when we make a decision on 2006, that we take that new account, Okay, so and what I mean by streaming is you know overhead administrative whatever they can justify when they're a lot of that pocket of monies every dollar counts. So Oh yeah. Um, what what does it mean? Maybe Alan can let me know what emergency caused means in the actual Why are they referring to emergency clauses that another statute? It just moves up the effective date of the law.

So April 10th that moves it up from what? Right. Okay, so that those are Often included to make to make it effective immediately instead of 30 days after you signed by the governor. Okay, so Alan. I'm gonna I'm gonna suggest that we make a motion on each one. separately but the motion with probably need from somebody to say I move. The Council to recommend a approval. Or to recommend. opposition or to recommend agnostic. Would that be a favorable way of doing it?

Yes, Mary I think in some of the packets there, some sample language might be I moved to direct staff to advocate for amendments, to HB 2273 to include transportation projects, within town of San Tan Valley, into Roseville on. Such amendments are adopted. Or there could be more just outright opposition. I moved out of town to San Tan Valley, oppose HB 2273, and direct staff to communicate the town's opposition to the legislature, bill sponsors and relevant stakeholders.

so those are some some different options either, just outright oppose or, you know, push for amendments and the ad projects for Santan Valley and impose. If those aren't added, of course, whatever motions made is ultimately the purview purview of the Council, okay? Any questions on the motions before we decide, if we're going to make that motion. I just want to be clear in terms of this vote now.

So assuming they made amendments or changes is that that are more suitable to us than that is that something that council would then be okay with And register support for such bills if they do, accommodate Santan Valley. Is that what everyone is kind of feeling here? I would feel that be an appropriate way of looking at it. I would also want to understand the distribution of response. How they came to this place, to determine these particular numbers. I would feel comfort.

able, the reason I say that is because again, if the overwhelming sentiment is for this bill, We can literally blocked out of the boat if we don't register kind of what things will make us happy. So, you know, we want to make certain we've put on the table how we can be appease. So that way we can become I guesses because the other alternative is we say no they move on ahead without us Marion Council. I I Far, as my recommendation goes, take it for what it's worth.

I think giving staff some some leeway to negotiate to try to see if there can be adjustments to the bill is a good thing that way we're not. things can move fast in the legislature, right? And so we have meetings twice a month but if we know yes there's opposition to this bill and it's current form. We have a strong position from the town on that. But we're then given some latitude Grocery try to get some some projects for San Tan, Valley added to the list.

So, to speak, then that would be my, my recommendation. I don't know what Prince thoughts on that? Oh, it's a better way. Totally agree. I don't think you want to be hard and fast because there will be amendments. There will be changes but not only that if this bill doesn't make committee, there might be a striker at some point where another bill that has made it through committee is then the language is struck in, this language is inserted so it's just more of general sentiment.

We oppose the language as current direct staff to work on further negotiation and bring that back to board, is something like that. And will these the are opinions here. Be forwarded on to the legislature. Or legislation or the powers that be to know that, here's what we believe. That's that's something else that we would love to know is typically one or more of you. To to do that from the elected official side. And then we'll do the same from the staff side and be there to support you.

If you want to testify and committee etc, when the bill comes up but also so that we can share that and share that with the League. Share that with the Penau County, Intergov Group, etc, Share it with the county's intergov so they can take that to the county supervisors Association. Just want to know what you would like us to do well.

Again, I know I've had conversations with Brent about this and mainly because of convenience because I commute to downtown and I was able to visit the legislative luncheon.

So I know everyone is kind of all over the place but you know again I'm more than happy to jump in because literally the capital was five minutes from my office but it's one of those things that I think absolutely I be more than happy to deliver the town council's, you know, sentiment on some of these issues and to really hammer the point home. Included in this. But, you know, again.

you, I too would be willing if I needed to With the information that we have received, what is the pleasure of the Council mayor? I'd like to recommend and it's current form Oppositioning. HP 2273 but provide give direction to staff to begin negotiating on this bill to get feedback on how these funds were distributed in the way they were. And then to see how to get Santan Valley included in this bill. So to clarify that motion. Yeah. Was that to support the bill?

That's what I Mean, it's current form opposition but giving you guys the ability to negotiate, okay? So the motion is to oppose with. It would be to oppose HB227 but direct staff to communicate the town's position with the legislature our legislation Vice Mayor is at an accurate Okay, that's the motion on the floor. That okay. So we have a motion. Do we have a second? A second motion and a second. All in favor? Say hi. Any opposed eyes have it. Brian Tyler: Right.

Garrett Glover: Now we'll have the same type of a boat on the next bill, which is the Hb2106. may your I moved to direct staff. Keep for amendments to HP 2106 to include transportation projects within the town of San Tan Valley into oppose the bill unless such amendments are adopted. Is that? Good for you. Ellen. Okay. So we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. We have a motion in a second, all in favor. Say, I I any opposed Okay, the eyes have it. So those two will carry those motions.

And we'll have the staff go forward with trying to figure some things out. So just a quick question, moving forward? Because again, you mentioned the legislature is moving at lightning speed. if we have any other bills that come up, will we need to be called into session to to do. So to take a positions on some of these other measures potentially I will try to keep you guys as informed as as I possibly can. And if there's a need to testify we'll get information out to you. Okay? Thank you.

And I'll do a legislative report at Future Council meeting, okay? Okay, moving on. We'll go to item number f. This is the county planning and zoning case review. This is discussion regarding the town's option for participating. In Pinal County planning and zoning cases during the ARS 9 - 104 transition period, including advisory input on cases, timing and process for town recommendations and possible. Use of advisory body. So, Alan will be presenting this before us. So yeah, the floor.

All right. Mayor Council members. Good evening. I'm gonna move quickly through this presentation, but there are Are going to give you the heads up now. For key decision points, that staff would like to receive an input from the council tonight on this topic. as the council, as well aware Pinal County under the current legal framework, continues to provide key services to the town. including Joe and Celeste talked about roadway infrastructure.

Those services are being provided, but in addition to that we have planning and zoning services are being provided by the county and that is Intel July 1st of this year. During this period unless the town adopts a competing zoning ordinance or code, the county zoning zoning ordinance, the conference of plan for the county remain. In effect. During this this time, period. um, so it, you know, being a part of the incorporation effort hearing from some constituents participating, some town halls.

We're well aware that The town incorporated. For many reasons, but in part there was a lot of public sentiment about increasing local control over development and managing land use impacts zoning general plan going into the future. So we're looking the town's goal. We think at this point, is to influence the county zoning cases that are in process. to have as most greatest impact on those decisions.

That process is possible Without prematurely assuming the full zoning authority until we're ready, come July 1st. So that's kind of the goal what we're looking at. and we've been working on developing a process to propose a counsel, and it's kind of a big overview of that that process but it really starts with coordination and a lot of communication with the county, right? We need to know when a new zoning case comes at when that thing is filed, he's got a number.

We need to know early on in the process in order for us to have a say and to that case so Brent has reached out to the county is doing a great job coordinating. Trying to set up meetings where we're getting these updates these reports on cases that are in the pipeline. So that's gonna be a critical part of to make any of this. What follows work is. We're gonna have to have that notice. We're also proposing.

So so in addition maybe to having a standing agenda item on legislative updates as Councilmember Wolford has requested we might have a standing agenda item on up cases Pinal County zoning cases that are working their way through the pipeline. So, we could have and actually, just maybe even bullet point those cases out. so that we can have discussion on those cases not to make a decision not to do a full analysis in case, but rather to do council triage is what we're going to call it.

Basically saying, Hey, we've identified this case, as a case that potentially impacts the town I would say 99 night or maybe 90% of those cases are gonna be within the jurisdiction of the town. Those are going to be the ones of primary concern. That being said there may be projects that are Adjacent to the town that are significant or large-scale projects in the vicinity of the town and they have impacts.

So those would be ones that Brent and I look at and say Let's put that on an agenda during that that agenda tracking item. And let's bring it to Council. Bring it to you guys. And then you can say, Yes, we want this one to be. to be fairly thoroughly vetted and explored and go through the process that follows. And that process would include special meetings.

Special meetings of the town and we'll talk about later how to structure those special meetings either of the Council And/or, a special advisory body created by the Council to Initial recommendations. of, you know, perhaps approval, perhaps denial perhaps approval with conditions, right? And then finally, there would be a formal recommendation and the town could issue. written recommendation to the county. Now that's kind of the broad brush overview of this process.

Now Within this process we've identified four key decisions points. And that's what we're going to get into in a minute. But before we do that I just have one slide to help you understand, just the big picture of how a county land use entitlement case is processed. If you're unfamiliar with the process, just, there's just this key concept and that's that zoning rezoning cases. Counting cases. They first go to the county's planning and zoning commission. That is an advisory body.

They will have the applicant, the developer will come to that meeting. They will present on the case. Um, tell us a county staff will be there, they will make recommendations of their own to, to the PNC, the county pnz There'll be a public hearing, there's going to be a transcript that can actually makes transcripts of these proceedings. I believe there are video recordings online of county PNC, meetings. And so there's this record generated at the County PNC.

they then forward their recommendation to the county's board of supervisors and that case then works its way usually a month or six weeks four to six weeks, it's going to make its way to the county's board of supervisors, those five supervisors that represent the entire county and then they're going to make the final decision. They are not bound by the pnz's recommendation but is something that they Can consider.

So that's that's kind of the overview of the process so that you understand how the town can influence and be a part of that process. so Council guidance and kind of the, this is the first of these four and a key decision points that we're looking for guidance on and the first one is going to be the timing of the town's recommendation to county. There's really the question really comes down to should the town submit, its recommendations. Before, or after.

the county planning and zoning commission or commission hearing it's formal recommendation. And so there's some considerations here, Brett and I were talking about this further, and we think that Even if the town decides to do it after, that town staff might be able to reach out, give the PNC commission. Just a heads up that this case will be going through the town review process. Maybe highlight some general issues. Brittany did you have something on that?

Yeah, I thought it'd be good for the folks in attendance tonight to kind of help them understand the time frame. So under the open meeting law, in Arizona the agenda and the packet must be out 24 hours in advance meeting now. Canal County Tries to do their best to get things out. They have their planning and zoning meetings on Thursday morning. And they try to get everything posted in the packets out. The Friday prior to the meeting.

So, you know, essentially six days prior to the meeting the challenge as you can imagine, from the town's perspective is there's no way. We could schedule an advisory committee meeting have the developer and their experts come in and talk to the advisory committee. Answer questions, make a recommendation, take it back to council have counsel, make it make a decision prior to the PNC meeting that It's physically impossible from from a timing perspective to to make all that work.

So what we had discussed before is Kind of what you saw me do last week, which is maybe myself or a staff member provide, some general analysis of the case itself, after sharing it with, with the board members but not while not. upsetting the open meeting law with respect to that. to just provide some general comments prior to pnz but then that gives us four to six weeks to have an advisory committee meeting develop a recommendation, get that to to the board, perhaps, as a consent agenda item.

That makes sense, right? Yeah, so and Yeah, and what Brent would be doing there would not be a formal position of the town. It would be. staffs kind of initial take. I think I called it observations. That's observations on the case a notification that formal review will be forthcoming. I think there are benefits to waiting until after the PNC Commission.

There's, there's some pros and cons really Going before the argument could be, made that you have more influence on shaping the case because the stipulations and things are still the case is a little more malleable, perhaps at that. Point. The drawback is, is the case isn't fully formed and we don't know what what it's really gonna look like until it comes out of pnz.

At that point, you're gonna have clear conditions, you're gonna really know what that case is looking like you're gonna have have some public input. There's gonna be a record, the town can now really understand what that case is going to look like. So I I think Britain and I is recommendation would be to to target Review town review, very shortly after that. Pnz hearing. Yes, what's typically the time frame?

How much time transpires between the hearing and when it goes before the board for approval four to six weeks. and I would say that doing it after the pnz, because the benefit there is you've got the planning and zoning vetting. Those developers that are coming in asking the questions finding out what their reasoning is behind their project and why. they're doing it. What, what is the benefit to the community? Where before you don't have that, right?

And, and so that becomes kind of a hindrance to us like will we haven't heard from because the applicant may not want to come to here and, you know, how can we force them to come here when the, the governing body is been out county, they're the ones that are hearing the cases until such time The town has our own planning and zoning. So I think after is better your councilman Counselors great point. You're absolutely right.

Legally wouldn't be able to require an applicant to be here and I would say behoove them to two appear, they may want to do that. Find that to be in their best interest. because obviously the town's gonna be making a position. that our recommendations to carry a lot of weight and that the county is essentially acting as a steward for the town during this period.

So if if there's a recommendation coming from the town, an official recommendation that should be given great weight if not you determinant of cases. So I agree. Because when the Board of Supervisors are voting on this, they're voting on what is affecting our town, right? And we have to now carry that forward because it's been done sealed and delivered. And so yeah, we should be able to have Right. We should have. Yeah during the it. So we're kind of in this this twilight stage of of transition.

But so based on the feedback I've received so far, I think we'll, we'll target maybe just after the pnz. So unless any council members have any additional input or thoughts will, I think gives us more credibility and we're not just a bunch of NIMBY on my backyards who live out here. So I I think after If it's okay with you guys, we'll give that staff observations prior to PNC.

Just so that when it goes to the board, A board member doesn't say Well, if you were that interested in the case, why didn't you comment at planning and zoning? So, at least we've got something on the record prior to PNC, If that makes sense. I think, yeah, he's been for yourself but for me, I think having staff prior to the pnz, I mean that you're down and Working with Pinal County to, to know, what cases are.

I think that's yeah, I agree with after I think between you know, staff comments between the mayor sitting on the planning and zoning commission of the County Karen as well to be able to to voice what they they're insights into this council and this town I think is enough. And then afterwards, thank our more informed decisions. both, excuse, we're gonna be doing both at registering preliminary sentiment and adopting a formal town position, right?

The preliminary will be more technical staff overview. I I don't think Brian's gonna be saying, you know, we oppose or we support. He can't do that nations. Yeah. Observation will be observations. They will be formulated by Brian and Brent maybe somebody else don't put it all right. And we're working on getting a community development director here. So there's they'll be some some discussion there. And I think taking it to the either this body or another body.

they're gonna we're gonna be able to attach to that bodies agenda. The full p&z the, you know, the expectation. Probably that you watch the, the Pnc's proceeding going into that meeting. So that's gonna be a great source of information. Right. All right. Decision point one, This is Decision Point two. who should conduct these reviews, particularly the, the initial review, so, staff, Brent and I so identified, two options right now. Council doctor all reviews, directly in special meetings.

That's you or town council can create a special advisory body that performs these reviews and makes recommendations and we've listed out some pros. Some constant considerations on this one. It's not an easy decision. One thing to consider is counsel workload. Your guys's workload, the kind of meetings. We think this would require special meetings.

So off off our normal schedule if Also wanted to do this, we would need to have special meetings, there'd be a lot of agenda material to go through to prepare for these things. So that's one thing to consider. Another thing is public participation and the development of local planning expertise Eventually. After July 1st, the town is going to have a plant its own planning and zoning commission, right? Is going to review cases then make recommendations to you as the council.

So it's kind of creating that framework. Now, we wouldn't recommend calling at a planning and zoning commission for legal reasons. It's not, we don't want to imply that it's subject to all the same hosting and other requirements. So there might, there might be a separate different name for it. Wouldn't be that statutory body and it would probably sunset if we go that direction on July 1st. But wow you have some candidates there for And z body in the future. That's for sure.

So there's also consideration of administrative effort to establish and train and advisory body. If we go that route the process would be, I probably go create a resolution. That establishes this bodies operating rules, their name, then have another slide on some of those kind of things, will think you put into that resolution. And then we would train that body. on open meeting law. We would need to have minutes taken. We need to post the minutes of this body.

So, those are things to think about, Brent, Scott, a great training, all queued up for open meeting law. We could give a quick it probably take a day or half a day of, of staff's, time to to train up such a body. Another consideration is, is the finally the persuasiveness of recommendations with county decision makers.

so this gets to it'll be another decision point on this, but if this body where does issue its recommendations directly to the county board of supervisors, we think maybe that that wouldn't be as powerful if it instead maybe the body issued its recommendation. It went to the mayor who signed it off on it or decided.

This needs to go to the full council or the body makes the recommendation and then it just comes to the council and it's maybe on a consent agenda item or kind of where you guys would just ratify it you could pull it off and do your own kind of analysis of the case, but we've envision typically it would just so those are some of the considerations but all that being said, on this decision. Point two, what's what's the input? What's the thought?

What are the thoughts, from Council on creating an advisory body or handling these yourself? Well, I think if today's any evidence are agendas are full and we are covering a lot of ground really, really fast. I think it would be very advantageous for us to create a special advisor body you would look very closely at this and advise us on these issues because we're carrying a lot as we approach. This July 1 deadline, that's where I would stand. We have probably.

you know, a ton of talented people that constituents in within our community that is willing and able to help, you know, build the culture of San Tan Valley. So I I'm going I'm all for a advisory committee. and as long as we're doing a resolution to have the guidelines and what are particular framework is as far as I know, we don't have a vision yet, but, you know, just keeping and being mindful of a lot of the, the items that would be.

something that we're strong feel strongly about, you know, so I do also want to be mindful of our staffs workloads and constraints but Again, I am, I am receptive. The idea, however, would be something we need to move quickly on. again just given the timing, so it would just be something that would be kind of added as an urgent item, because we need to stand up and advisory body, get them trained up. Um, considering everything else on your docket that's feasible that might be okay with it.

Councilman will go over. We appreciate that. The realism there and this is something that we we are prepared to expedite. We do think it will take probably a month to get the body up and running because we need to, you know, next, next council meeting we could have a resolution with the creating this body but then there would be an appointment process where the Council would you know, we talked about that the next slide.

where we locate point members of the body and then we we would have to, you know, get them trained up and then have have the meetings going. So I I would say probably a month would be really ambitious and lightning fast. Well, then kind of to kind of ease up. Some of the pressures is there a way we could, maybe do like a hybrid maybe week? The time being, we do some expedited while you have the time to form this body because we're going to need it afterwards after July 1st.

So what I'm gonna head start. So what our intent would be is until we have the body up and going Staff will continue to give the observations to the county planning and zoning. And then any hot items that that are identified, we would, we would take directly to the Council up until get it running, but I think there. Yeah. That's the intent. Yeah, we may. Yeah in the interim we may be requesting for special meetings on some of these cases that are pretty far far along.

I just don't think we hold and wait while these other items are going before PNG and then get the kidney stuff we can just do a rolling thing and I love being able to get more of the, you know, town involved in this. This is such a cool experience and if we can get some more leaders involved, Forming us, I think more the better.

It's the best way in the world to train your your future public servants, and your council members, the best story ever is when I was at Maricopa, there was a gentleman, a young man that got elected to be the head of his Hoa called, Maricopa Meadows. And they had a big flood control problem. and so this gentleman came in to meet with me, his name was Christian Price, Anybody who knows? Who Christian Price is, he's very well known guy in Fidelity County.

Christian came in and met with me, and he was very impressive and I said, You know, we're recruiting for the planning and zoning commission, would you be interested? He says, What's a planning? His own commission, he put in his application, he got on the pnz within a year, he was elected the head of the pnz Within two years. He ran for Mayor and I think he spent 12 years as mayor So and that's that is how Christian got his.

Start was the planning and zoning commission and that's where he built his passion for government. Yeah, and I would say that timing is everything because you would have staff previewing these cases. They go to planning and zoning and then until such time a committee was formed then you have the committee to look at it before it goes to the BOS. Then it has to come to the Council. so, there's like, Time frame and constraints that we have to be aware of.

It can work it just how much time, you know, does our plethora staff members want to put into it? Yeah, at this point it really doesn't have to be either war Do both so yeah. But yeah. That I think that's the guidance that we're taking away is, is a hybrid initially, a council may have, we may have to have some special meetings which I'm fine with. It's it's a terroristic council. I have no problem with that. Yeah and then that comes down to you know in down the road.

You know are we gonna want to put these things on as a consent? you know, on our meeting and then, as as needed, because we will have the information prior we can look at the information and then if one of us wants to pull an item for further discussion, we can do that. I think that seems like an appropriate way of doing it. Okay. There we can jump ahead. Let's skip over three. We'll put it back to it in a second but you got right into decision point four. Oh, sorry.

And that that is yeah, that is handling the advisory body recommendation it seems like there is some some guidance for staff on on the body. so, there's some options. After this, this body makes a recommendation. We won for that recommendation, just straight onto the county to forward it, to the mayor, possibly vice mayor who can endorse and forward to the county or decide. Hey, let's place this on a council agenda for full Council review or option Three, you just place it on.

You can't counsel Consent Agenda for Council approval. in some considerations here is double hearings advisory body plus counsel will require a lot of time and we are in the startup stage where time is precious. We've got a lot of competing issues and concerns. We're working through. and then there's a consideration of recommendations may carry more weight if they have, you know, may, or sign off or even more. If it's the full council, you know, endorsing and ratifying.

What this advisory body is as recommended. so, Like the outcome. Brian Tyler: on this one. Garrett Glover: Too, for lumber. Tyler. That's Brian Tyler: Yeah, I'm I'm leaning towards more of the two fortunate, mayor and vice mayor. I fear that. If a way to put it on Council agenda, we may be too late to respond to some of these You know, the recommendation. Garrett Glover: All right, here. Vice Mayor. You figured prominently in this. What are you, What are your thoughts?

Um, so I while I I want to have this advisory committee set up and to work on this and to really take a deep dive, I don't want to punt the councils authority and as I want to make sure we have the say and the oversight over this, this is our responsibility, our role, our job. Option number One of decision for forward direct accounting. I don't know. It's an option, two, I could be persuaded, but I would actually lean to three place on the consent. Agenda for the council.

I want any Council member to be able to pull this. If needed, you know, we all represent Santan Valley and all have responsibility on this and so, I think that and then, secondly, I think all of us saying Yes, we're we're behind this since in the even stronger, message to the county on our decision and position. Right. Yes friend. I've got a question for for Alan. Sorry, Alan twitch on the spot. With regard to option. Number two, It doesn't that put the mayor in a very difficult position?

The fact that he's on the planning and zoning commission. He's also the mayor, I would think that that would be a conflict. For him to actually endorse the the Boards recommendations to go to the Board of supervisor. So I think that really hurts number two. Yeah, and there, it could be the the vice mayor that's designated that's that position as far as Cessing out the potential conflicts that I'd want to review that and maybe consult directly at the mayor.

But yeah, that if nothing else putting potential conflict aside, I think it it there is a certain level of pressure pressure there of you know of you know that the decision is kind of Focused and one individual's posted distributed amongst all council. I agree that although I do appreciate the confidence in Council member, Tyler, I do agree that I would prefer coming to the Council as a consent item because we will have the information for us.

All of us, we are able to review it after our committee to would have their recommendation too. So That's where I would stand. I think, given our phased approach, we can be a little bit more, you know, probative and so three. You know, there may not be that front loaded. extra work. If we are being thoughtful enrolling out this body. So the Council in the meantime, obviously they want to know that this is a democratic decision, I guess rather than just, you know, something that's that's partial.

So I'm leaning more towards three. Any other comments discussion? On this. Section that we went over. We still have another one more. I guess. I'm trying to think how this would work. So we have an advisory committee. and they look at things and make recommendations because there's more so probably an expert more so than I would be. Then it would go to.

the town manager and then it would go to us and then we'd have all the the data to be able to make an informed Decision when it's on the consent agenda. Is that how that working? I've got some thoughts but we have friends. So Here's the way I envision it in my mind in the simplified form. The case is posted the packets provided for the planning and zoning commission. Staff will get their hands on it. We'll take a look at that. We'll essentially have six days. To provide observations right?

With respect to the cases. I'm looking at these two because they're on the pins. As soon as that meeting is concluded, we'll have a packet, we'll have all the supporting materials from the county. as well as the the video recording and has audio from the planning and zoning Commission as well as the decisions that were made, including whether it was recommended for approval or denial, any stipulations that we're added, That allows us to very quickly because we only have four to six weeks.

I would say, perhaps the next week meet the open meeting law requirements to convene the advisory committee in advisory committee would have a daytime meeting. where, it will be agendaized and it will, the folks that are applicants, will be able to come and present their case to the Advisory committee. Most like much, like the planning and zoning commission at any city town or county and then they would then make a recommendation to the Council which would be documented by staff in the minutes.

And then that would be placed on a Council agenda sometime before four weeks. So maybe two weeks after that. on consent that could be pulled. But ultimately a vote in the affirmative or in denial by the by the okay, that makes sense. That answers my questions. Thank you. And and going back to your one point though, we could invite the African to come in. They're not going to be required to come in. There's a still under the county purview.

If I may just give my two cents, I'm good with the number three, the consent agenda item. So I'm going to Okay. All right. So I think we've got a clear guidance there. Let's go to the last decision point and this this will help staff as we start to formulate this resolution that's gonna be coming back. to you real real quick here coming to you so that some different naming conventions I recommendations to call the Interim Planning Advisory Committee. The composition five, seven members.

I recommendation, be seven members. So, each Council member gets to point one one person on this body. the term, their terms would in July 1st. Obviously, they would have to follow open meeting law, their role and function. You have their outline, some of the review, king and land use cases conduct public hearings here. Presentations from African staff and Public as as available as those are, those are made and then formulate Ricket and written recommendations.

any thoughts on that, you know, on the seven members, the name anything, or are you comfortable with with what we're recommending thoughts? I'd support Interim Planning Advisor committee for the name and seven members pointed by council member. Any other comments? Right. I think it would be great. If the mayor appointed, one of the Council members to be the committee liaison to attend those meetings observe, and to be able to, you know, it what you said, Councilwoman Jenkins.

I heard earlier, which was I think it's important that the individual members of the committee, understand the feelings of the council, the priorities, those kind of things, it'd be great. If we had a council member that was there at those meetings that could provide feedback and input. Brian Tyler: I like to offer. My name is a Garrett Glover: In any other. Oh sorry. Councilmember Tyler. Brian Tyler: I said, I'd like to offer my name as a possible person to, to do that.

Garrett Glover: Excellent. Thanks. Okay. Put his name down. Alright. Okay. What about the naming? Any other thoughts are we in agreement With Vice Mayor Hudgens? Okay, because he possible to get your appointees by the next council meeting. For me. Yes, not everybody. Is that possible to give us your appointees by the next meeting because that helps us accelerate. I'm hoping yes, how do we know the public? I mean, I don't personally know like are we public?

Are we gonna have some type of application process? Yeah, was that is that by an appointment only by the by the Council member or could be or. So if it was a, if it was a city or a county approach, we would do in a recruitment just like like having an employee, we have a description and the time requirements and we'd send it out and people would apply. Since this is, this is essentially just a council committee.

You don't have to follow that process, if you have somebody in mind just shoot them to us. Okay? Marion Council for any council meeting back in October. There was a request for people interested in serving on committees the various types. A lot of people reach that a lot of those people suggested planning and zon Or something very similar so I can send those names along. Good point Garrett, Thanks for bringing that up. Yeah, that is correct. We did have a lot of response from the community.

yeah, I was gonna suggest, you know, either we bring one ourselves, the next council meeting or the public can email our clerk pass that information around plus historical data information around and then we'll make a determination from there. Right? And then we'll work out the logistics and hopefully we'll go down good reservations here some other venue for this. This kind of body to meet Okay, Alan anything else? That's, that's all I have, man.

Any other questions for Alan real quick before we let them go. Okay. Hearing none. We're gonna move on to item number G. This is a town branding. We'll have a presentation by the town manager, Brent Billingsley. This is will be a discussion of options for developing. The town's initial logo and branding theme, including professional design services and community-based design competition. So, Brent take it away. Sorry. Sorry, it took me a couple minutes to get up here. I apologize.

This is a perfect opportunity. Mr. Mayor and members of the Council to say, We listen and take good notes during these meetings and one of those, one of the topics that we've heard come up a couple of different times. And obviously in a very, you know, over manner, at the last meeting is from from a member of the public who was suggesting a theme for the town, is that zest from the community through the council to really look forward to branding ourselves in some way.

And I know some of you are familiar with branding and and the cost to social associated with doing that as well as the time frame associated with, with professional branding. We've looked meaning, our very large staff of Ellen and I, at various options, and also leaned on some, some folks that we know in the industry in terms of things that we could potentially do to build community. To garner input and interest in the town of San Tan Valley and what what?

We're providing this evening in the packet is the idea of doing a logo design competition for the public. and having a nice reward associated with, in terms of, 2500 dollar, price is what we're proposing. the logo for the logo, and to give folks three months, essentially to, to put something together. Get it into us, and then we will go through a review process. It's a multi-level review, process. So say the the four folks in the first row put in their logo.

It's highly likely that you may get comments back on that saying Hey can you soften the colors or could you make the mountains more prominent, something like that in terms of the comment to go back and and further enhance? Concept. We just wanted to reserve the right to do that.

It's important that there's plenty of legal jargon attached to this as well as an agreement that says We may use it, we may not use it and if you design the logo we will own the rights and be able to copyright that logo, and it won't be your personal property if you if you submit in terms of this competition. That's phase one phase two would then be the theme.

So we after discussing it with the Mayor Vice Mayor, I think the consensus was you do the logo first and let the logo perhaps influence the theme for the second phase. And and I think we said $500 for the theme Allen is what we would. We would recommend for that individual competition following the logo competition. And keep in mind, there's multiple options.

This is just one out and seeing if it's something you're interested in going forward with, if you would, rather we go down the other road, which is hiring a professional firm. To do an actual branding exercise. Those usually take six months to a year. and can be quite expensive in terms of going through that process, the other option that we have at some point and I believe you know, a couple different council members have brought it up tonight and including Customer.

Wolford is, is there a potential for a hybrid? there is a potential for the hybrid and that would be perhaps someone provides a logo but it's not necessarily. Of quality to be able to use for branding. So after that logo is created. We could hire a separate graphic design firm or branding firm to take that logo. and turn that into letterhead and for memos and and letters and to set up our signature blocks for email and stuff like that.

So there could be a hybrid at some point but I just want to come up today and throw this out as an idea to get some feedback and see if this is something that the Council would like to entertain. Council any comments discussion questions. I love the idea of including the public on this, I think we've got enough tell the people in our town that we, I would love to see the citizens involved and, and so yeah, doing a logo design and and a theme that goes along with that logo.

I would love to see that rather than hiring a professional logo designer. And I agree with that. I just think that that is just a beautiful way to To get our logo and have it, continue until needs and, you know, goals change maybe 20, 30 years from now, you know, I think it's wonderful. I would even go to maybe doing something as a second, and third place because there might be multiple You know. Multiple entries that are great. Yeah, I love this idea.

You know, this is our town Like, it's not just us. It's it's all of us. It's advisory committee. We just discussed is another way to bring one. This is another example of a great way to bring people in. I'm personally looking forward to bringing us up at post and view. They're newly averated school. Maybe we get a rated logo design. So I think this is great to include the public in this way. I agree.

And we got such creative and artistic young people in this town and this will be a cool little exercise for them to design, the logo for the newest town in America. So, you know, I do think we need to give us some leeway to kind of spruce it up for you know, public purposes or presentation purposes, but absolutely, let's do this and let's get it out of the media. Let's, you know, let them know that we're all hands on deck here in San Tan Valley. So it's two staff members.

I think we have a lot of talented and, but Brent correct me if I'm wrong, but in or Allen in the The disc for transparency to the public. That there is the right of refusal on any of the projects that are submitted is correct. That's the case. There's no guarantee that. Yeah, any particular one would be selected. Okay. Capital like to not go with any of the cements great. I just want to make sure that that's out there and everyone, they understand that boundaries, Okay? Are those?

Yeah, you have to be in the town boundaries in order to submit That's gonna be. That's very important for us to keep it within the community and the people that and the residents that live here. So We would probably have some kind of bedding for that. They would have to provide their address and all that. Right? Okay. okay I think I think we're in the Councilmember Tyler. Do you have any thoughts or you good? Brian Tyler: Now, he's a great idea. Garrett Glover: Okay.

Brian Tyler: Can't wait to see the social media media. AI warriors out there. Garrett Glover: Yes. Brian Tyler: It should. Garrett Glover: that's a good point. We want real people. So I think staff you have your kind of direction On that one. Thank you. Okay. I was wondering if the council needed a break before we get into the town coat. So why don't we take a 10-minute break? And it is now 901, so we'll be back at nine eleven. Yes, sir.

Oh yeah, all my schedule but we've started scheduling interviews. I must have missed both. I think the only ones I'm gonna do the timer. Okay. Okay, thank you. We're gonna we're gonna get back to our agenda. I'm gonna make a A decision here. We're gonna table item number eight. Due to time constraints. We will The fourth. So February 4th of 2026, we will move the draft town, code, Articles 4 through 6 to that meeting. So at this time, item number eight, is there any future agenda items?

The Council would like to see. Or have. Any at all. Okay, hearing none. We will move to item number nine. This is called to the public citizens desiring to speak and do so. we will limit our comments to three minutes. Per person um subject to any adjustment that might need based on our time constraints tonight. Hopefully not So we will start with first. We I have some carts that Um, if you could, please come up and state your name, and that you do live the boundary of San Tan Valley, Cortana.

And Tan Valley live at the Concrete Community Association. I make this quick I just wanted to say, I haven't been able to attend to all the meetings attended a guys. I watched the ones that I miss online. You guys are doing incredible job impeccable kind of timing. And I'm passing that out, you know, to everybody that I meet and talk to you. Please get involved. You guys do care about the public Even for all of us that didn't want incorporation at one time times change as you need.

So we need to be part of the solution, not a part of the problem. So I've been extremely involved in that but I I just wanted to once again, say Thank you. Brent is great. I've listened to him. I don't know. Him personally, I'm surprised as in Arizona, Native, but I've heard his name over the years, but and I'm glad to see Garrett was pointed. Thank you very much. Continue the good. Work. Thank you, Donna. Okay, next one. Genie Stockton.

Wanna point out, I already texted Neil, Carter, in regards to Hb2 778 to include Santan Valley. Number two, Florence is only open four days per week because of the loss of Stacia revenue because we incorporated is the town of San Tan Valley going to be open for business, five days per week or will we only do four days per week until we can get, you know? And do you know if they reduce the hours work or just reduce their operating expenses? Like, are they still working 40 hours per week?

Or they just shutting down the operating expenses of their building? And in regards to some of the comments made tonight, I want you guys to make sure because I'm using This is a byline. When I talk to people that we need to ensure taxes are based on need and not greed. so, as we move forward with things don't tax, just because you can, The prta taxes they were collected on San Tan Valley.

Is there any way that you can get a breakdown from the county to give you how much that prta tax was collected to give you an idea? If we would charge one percent, you know what your tax base would be? and then the last thing I'd like to point out, I, I met James at a recent event in Queen Creek or San Tan Valley, whatever it is. I'm not sure and they have a beautiful building there called In cotton gin building. And James is going to make a speech here also.

But I just wanted to say it would be nice if we could bring that building into San Tan Valley and declare some of The history that has been garnered in this area over the many, many years. So, that's all I have to say, and I'll let him say the rest. Thank you, Jeannie. Please stay your name and if you live in the boundary or not, all right, my name is James Bowenantine. I do not live in the boundary.

I live in Mesa, I've lived no more than four miles the from the place that I was born my whole life but I am spending a lot of time in San Tan Valley, we have Taken over the Big Ten cotton gin. We've been there about seven years. Currently the building is going to have to be moved because of the development that's happening on our corner. And we have been given the building and we would love to bring it down here.

And the reason is it's your building quite honestly San Tan, Queen Creek, this area exists because of this building and buildings, exactly like this. This was a cotton gin. Put up in 1950 and Mr. Schneff's family sold their cotton there. There are the robe. Since there's so many names of cotton tickets that we found In our, in our scale house which is now a coffee house americano ammunition coffee, and we just really love this building. I found this building on my own.

trying to use use it for an event, and we were given the opportunity to take it over. And we Built it into an amazing wedding venue. It's an event center and a wedding venue. I'm sure it's a talk to you in Meridian. I'm sure you've seen it. It is by far and away the premier wedding venue anywhere in this valley. And we have destination weddings coming from all over the country. This is your family's heritage. If you grew up here, if you are any one of the names streets is on your last name.

You grew up knowing this as a cotton community. This was a cattle community, This is the heritage of this entire area and to get rid of this building to, to tear it down, would be a travesty to the history and the heritage and the families that came here for five and six generations and worked day and night to create what we all get to enjoy what you get to me. The first mayor of what you all, get to be the town council of the newest big little city in America.

Is because of the heritage of this building. I spent nine months converting this building into a wedding and event center for my wife to run and we have all kinds of events there, not just weddings. We we do a guns gun shows coin show. Pinal County holds one of their largest meetings there. It'll be on Friday that every truck from Pinal County will be everywhere around there because this is the community space that is yours. Thank you. Okay, thank you. We appreciate you being here.

Kevin or James, sorry. Kevin's next. Kevin Valentine. please. Come forward state your name and if you live within the Santan boundary, I'm Kevin Valentine, I do not live in San Tan Valley. I wish I did. When they hopefully interest rates go down, maybe. I just want to. Follow, we we have this business that has been really good. anchor for the town of Queen Creek for a long time.

And being that, the property has been sold and it's being developed, we have the ability to take this building down and we think that it would just be a really good place. A really good fit would be in San Tan. Valley Action. Looked at my shirt, I realized that before we are incorporated we were San Tan Valley on that corner. So it, we really feel that it would fit this area.

We just would ask that as, as the town council and everybody starts to come up with the design guidelines and different things. Take into consideration old buildings that don't look like every other building. That's not corporate. Just to kind of give us the the opportunity to be able to come to you and have a different idea. And something that's just not the same as on every other corner. So, I just want to say thank you for letting us sit in.

This is a great insight to starting here in San Tan and I appreciate the opportunity to be able to speak and hopefully we get to work for us. Excuse me, work with you in the future and move forward. Thank you, thank you, Kevin appreciate that. Okay, next one is Rita and He's a because I okay, thank you, please, three minutes. And if you state your name and if you live within the Santan boundary, Good evening, Mayor. Steph members of the.

Council members of the public and thank you for the opportunity to speak this evening. My name is Rita, Ann Easy and I serve as the director of Public relations and community engagement for the Florentina Fight School District. Thank you for the plugs for posting youth, but can't wait to see you on Tuesday. I'm here to share an update on our financial realities and how we are choosing to move forward because of the majority of our Florence Unified Schools are located in Santan Valley.

It is essential that this community has a meaningful voice in the district's decisions. Your residents are families and this community is deeply connected to our schools. The most recent election. voters, consider two, propositions that the Florence Unified School District put out the first allowing the district to sell land that will not be used for future school construction and that past giving the district a tool to help stabilize finances.

Over time, the second was a bond initiative for major capital improvements and that did not pass As a result, the district does not have access to those funds. And is now facing a 5 million dollar budget deficit. This challenge is driven largely by declining enrollment and issue affecting all districts. Across the state of Arizona, not just Florence Unified, not just Santan Valley, Other continuing contributing factors include the long-term effects of covid. The expansion of ESA.

Vouchers declining birth rates increased charter, school options and the loss of federal funds that previously helped offset enrollment declines. A proposal was presented to our fusd governing board that included potential school closures or consolidations, but at our December governing board meeting families staff and the community. Shared their concerns and ideas. Those voices mattered, and they were heard as a result. Florence Unified School District.

Unlike other districts across the state, no decisions will be made in the 2026-207 school year. Instead, the district is forming a steering committee to study options and make recommendations to the superintendent and governing board Over the next nine months, the committee will examine potential potential school closures or consolidations possible reconfiguration models and the feasibility of a four-day school week using data and research as well as community input to guide its work.

Community members are encouraged to participate in Santan Valley as well as Florence those interested in participating on one of those steering committees can complete an interest survey that can be found on the Florence Unified School, District's website. These interest surveys must be submitted by January 28th. And the first steering committee will be held a meeting will be held virtually on February 9th. And again, this will continue for the next nine months. All meetings will be virtual.

Our schools belong to this community, and this community deserves a seat at the table. Thank you for your partnership, your support of public education and your commitment to San Tan Valley students and their families. Thank you, thank you Rita, appreciate you being here. That's it.

For my comment cards is there anyone else in the audience that would wish to come forward and say anything Please do come forwards that your name and that your resident or not of San Tan Valley, three minutes, Hi, my name's Garrett. Rooney and I am attorneys of. Santa, I just have a couple of concerns of some discussions that were brought up tonight. on the lights with the traffic studies, that were discussed.

One of the things I've been talking to the county about and concerns is the left-hand turn lane, not only the the red and green arrows but also offsetting those lines. There was a project. I want to make her discussed with me. That was going to possibly try and move those over, but there isn't enough room. So going forward on some of these, you may want to look at that and also the timing of the lights. when it's flashing yellow, I can make it. That's what you hear.

I know people run the red light but a lot of people think they can make it, and I know one of the concerns is backing the traffic up, but when you have lights every 30 feet, that's gonna happen anyway. But and so with that, the county has been very helpful in trying to come up with some ideas and stuff like that. So that's just one of the things that I had brought up as well as Never remember what you call, but, like the dividers so that you can only turn out of a project.

That doesn't have a light, right? And go down and make turn somewhere, where there is a light for safety issues. Bella Vista, in fourth one. There's eight. Go into that one. Impact fees are very important. I learned when I first moved here that the impact fees had been waiting for very hospital and that was huge and that is just something that I heard I haven't heard directly from county on that, but as I first moved here, I was like, Oh, we have a hospital. That didn't happen.

And so I think when they mentioned that, the ball had been dropped years ago, that was a huge one. And lastly planning and zoning. For you, to review. The packet is very important before it comes to B and Z in my experience. if you make a decision that you want to change especially a major change to a stipulation, what a supervisors no longer than send that back to planning and zoning to review that has happened on some cases when it goes to board supervisor.

So, when you're looking at something, if it's a minor tweak, it's not going to be an issue but really look at those stipulations because you may want something specific. and once it goes to the board of supervisors for them to change it or have staff change it. They'll ask if we've already reviewed it and if not, I have to come back to us. So that's why it's kind of sitting on my hands. I just want to say when you were, when you were discussing it that it.

So if there's something major Your mayor can attest to that having to come back sometime soon, but that's all. thank you very much and I appreciate your time. Thank you. Karen. Is there anyone else in the audience? I wish us to come forward Anyone at all? Okay, see you in and hearing on, I'm gonna close the public comment. and I will say that, I'd like to direct staff to maybe reach out to James Ballantyne and kind of discuss the options that he might have within Santan Valley for that building.

It is something that yeah my family did go to and I was wondering you know it's a landmark. It's kind of historic out here for the farm the farmers of the day. and I think with the last comment about, Pnz. or to supervisors, can't push it back to the pnz and then the process is Move forward. So maybe we address that going forward. I was gonna.

I'd love to hear presentation on that some background, and then just some general economic development opportunities and using this as an example of how we can track more things like this, Okay, with that. The common chords that will take us now to item. Number 10? Adjournment, is there a motion to adjourn this meeting? See, I move that we adjourn the meeting. Okay, we have a motion. Is there a We have a motion in a second. All in favor. Say aye. Hi. Looks like the eyes have it.

This meeting is adjourned. I mean.