Buckeye approves 394-unit mixed-use rezoning, infrastructure fees, waste contract unanimously
BUCKEYE, ARIZONA — November 20, 2024

Buckeye approves 394-unit mixed-use rezoning, infrastructure fees, waste contract unanimously

Buckeye City Council approved mixed-use development rezoning, infrastructure impact fees, solid waste contract, council salary policies, and grant applications while addressing Tonopah incorporation controversy and recognizing departing council members.


Buckeye Council Approves Development Rezoning and Infrastructure Fees While Confronting Tonopah Incorporation Allegations

On November 20, 2024, Buckeye City Council held a regular meeting that blended routine approvals with contentious public testimony over alleged deception in the Tonopah incorporation process. The council unanimously approved six major items spanning development, impact fees, solid waste services, and governance policy—all while fielding allegations that incorporation proponents had misrepresented community opposition to sidestep full public hearing requirements.

The Tonopah Incorporation Controversy

The meeting's most dramatic moment came during public comment, when seven Tonopah residents testified that the incorporation group had submitted false information to secure consent agenda approval of a city resolution last year. The allegations centered on a claim of "no significant organized opposition"—a statement residents said was demonstrably untrue.

Susette Hughes, a Tonopah resident, directly challenged the incorporation group's submission:

"In order to get their submission of request which I have a copy of here on the consent agenda they claimed that there was and I quote no significant or organized opposition to incorporating and um I can say assuredly that there is and has been significant opposition um there was even a Facebook group called tonopa residents opposed to incorporation and I just looked today there's almost 600 members that's a pretty big number for little old tonopa."

Don Hughes, also a Tonopah resident of 11 years, reported that when the incorporation group held its initial meeting, "there are 40 people that showed up opposed to the five people who are there for the incorporation," and argued:

"there's a bit more conflict in this than I think was originally presented in the consent agenda and so I'd just like to um ask the council to reconsider that resolution and perhaps bring it back up for a rehearing in the future."

Keith Kronbach, a 30-year Tonopah resident, raised legal and procedural concerns, claiming that documentation showed a Saddle Mountain School District board member had signed every incorporation-related document despite guidance from the state attorney general that he should not be involved. Kronbach stated:

"according to the state's attorney general and the advocate for superintendence he should not be involved in this and that was the conversations that I've had with them."

Scott Bloom, another resident, argued that the incorporation proponents significantly underestimated the financial requirements to operate a city, claiming one group member proposed a $500,000 police department budget when such setup costs exceed $1 million. Bloom cautioned:

"they are trying to create a city on Strictly using Arizona tax money that is solely not going to be enough money to do what they means which means that this city is going to be formed Incorporated and within no time is going to be in bankruptcy because there's not enough population to survive."

Jane Pyer, also in the growth area, highlighted her own predicament—caught between Buckeye's western boundary and Tonopah's proposed boundaries, effectively in "no man's land." She called for the city not to grant extension or new resolution by consent agenda:

"if you're going to consider it that it be by full hearing where full opportunity is given to all the citizens of tonopa to come and speak before you."

City Attorney Brian Craig explained that the resolution approved in October 2023 expires May 31, 2025, and noted that no action is currently scheduled. He indicated staff will work with both pro- and anti-incorporation groups and present future options to council. Mayor Eric Orsborn clarified that any request for extension or new resolution would likely come before council in the future, giving the city time to evaluate the issue more carefully than the initial consent agenda approval had allowed.

The Mix on Roosevelt: Density and Design Vision

The centerpiece development approval was Ordinance 28-24, rezoning approximately 31.82 acres at the southeast corner of Verrado Way and Roosevelt Street from planned residential to planned area development (PAD) for a mixed-use project called The Mix on Roosevelt. The proposal pairs a 12.75-acre grocery-anchored shopping center with a 17.3-acre residential complex containing 394 apartment units—roughly 22.5 dwelling units per acre.

Ken Galika, Planning Manager, presented staff's enthusiastic recommendation, noting that the site sits within what the city informally calls "The Landing," a future urban activity center envisioned in the General Plan as denser and more pedestrian-oriented than typical Buckeye developments. Galika explained the PAD modifications:

"the pad will um have established two separate distinct sub areas the red uh sub area on the north side of the street up against Roosevelt um is about 12 and 3/4 Acres um that will be a commercial uh sub area where uh will be developed as a grocery anchored shopping center um with a very specific tailored use list based on the C2 District but with uh Auto oriented uses such as gas stations um Auto Repair uh some of those types uses as well as drive-throughs um with limitations or outright not being permitted."

A critical design feature was staff's emphasis on creating an urban street frontage along Verrado Way—buildings pressed to the back of the sidewalk, with residential structures creating enclosing walls rather than typical enclosed compounds, and enhanced screening for drive-throughs located on Roosevelt rather than the more visible Verrado corridor.

Council expressed excitement about potential for higher density. Eric Orsborn stated directly to the developer's representatives:

"I know how many meetings you guys go to where they're saying ah it's not dense enough and we'd like it to be taller uh just hear us on that no pressure but we would love to see that elevation up higher uh in that four to five story um similar to what I think we see in the West Valley along Avondale Boulevard."

Eric Orsborn further joked, "a four story with some gingerbread on top to make it look like a five so seven stories is good by planning." Alliance Residential, the residential developer, was present and heard the council's preferences on tape, as Eric Orsborn noted.

Council Member Craig Heustis questioned whether a roundabout at Roosevelt and Verrado—shown in early exhibits—required a stipulation, and Galika confirmed that the PAD permitted either a roundabout or a typical signalized intersection, with specifics to be worked out during site planning. Craig Heustis also sought assurance that design guidelines for The Landing would be drafted but not overly prescriptive, prompting Galika to commit to establishing design expectations (contemporary style, flat roofs, etc.) while preserving developer creativity.

The public hearing drew no speakers, and the council voted unanimously to approve Ordinance 28-24.

Infrastructure Impact Fees and Park Amenity Dispute

The infrastructure impact fee adoption (Resolution 7724) generated the meeting's second major controversy. The city presented the Land Use Assumptions and Infrastructure Improvement Plan, which establishes the framework for calculating development impact fees—the fees developers pay to fund growth-related infrastructure.

William Copy presented the staff recommendation, detailing significant changes from the previous study, particularly in water and wastewater calculations. Previously, the city charged based on meter size (up to 1.5 inches); now fees are calculated on actual gallons per unit, resulting in dramatic increases for non-residential uses. For multifamily and single-family, the city reduced average daily consumption from 113 gallons to 94 gallons per person—a 17 percent reduction—and wastewater flows from 80 to 54 gallons, a 32 percent reduction.

The contentious item was the parks amenity fee for the south service area: $1 million per acre, totaling $30 million for 30 acres of planned parks. Copy explained the city's rationale:

"we met internally we talked about the fee met with the parks Rec Miranda and Bob and we really felt that based on our current cost for Sundance Park a million dollars is very reasonable cost we looked at surprise um cost around 850 give or take and then with the kind of inflation fact Factor we feel that it's really close to this million dollars we looked called Gilbert you know we looking at the cost they're actually over a million dollars now in their impact fee report."

James Ashley, representing the Home Builders Association of Central Arizona, directly opposed the fees, particularly the park amenity charge. Ashley presented a comparative analysis of park amenity costs in neighboring jurisdictions:

"in September the city referenced and provided an itemized list of Park amenity cost assumptions from neighboring cities similar to Buckeye referencing a list of Park amenity cost from other jurisdictions we compared what other jurisdictions were quoting this year for Park amenities with site work including earthw work Hardscape electrical and Landscaping and not including any necess AR land purchase Chandler came in at $615,000 per acre the city of Maricopa at $548,000 Goodyear came in at $662,000 per acre and that was an average of their two service areas and surprise as was noted came in at $824,000 Phoenix originally came in at $800,000 per acre."

Ashley argued that even Gilbert, which claimed it would use non-impact fee resources, was currently charging $824,000 per acre. He noted the city's solid waste impact fee fund showed a balance of over $7 million—the second-highest of any city category—suggesting Buckeye had overestimated fees previously and could afford to moderate the park amenity charge. Ashley concluded by noting that a reduction to align with higher-tier peers would lower north service area fees for single-family homes by $272 and south service area by $51.

Council Members engaged substantively with the disagreement. Vice Mayor Clay Goodman questioned whether the $1 million figure included land acquisition. Copy confirmed it did not. Council Member Curtis Beard asked whether all comparison cities' fees were calculated identically, and Copy acknowledged the challenge, promising a detailed apples-to-apples comparison for the January hearing.

Eric Orsborn defended the higher fee by reference to Buckeye's severe park deficit:

"I mean we're a city of what now 120,000 or whatever we have one swimming pool we basically have two parks that you can go to enroll your child in a soccer game or a Little League field we are not building extravagant facilities for very few people we need these fees because it's our residents who are going to be calling us saying why don't I have availability."

City staff (Parks & Recreation leadership, identified only as Miranda and Bob in the transcript) provided context that Buckeye's current level of service is 0.5 acres per thousand residents, drastically below the adopted standard of 8 acres per thousand (split 4 public, 4 private). The impact fee would help maintain pace as the city grows but not close the existing gap.

Council Member Patrick HagEstad asked a procedural question: whether the fees apply only to new development and are paid at permit issuance, not charged to existing residents over time as property taxes. Copy confirmed fees apply at permit pull and are a one-time obligation of the developer.

Despite Home Builders Association opposition, the council voted unanimously to adopt Resolution 7724, establishing the land-use assumptions and infrastructure framework. Copy indicated that formal fee rates would be presented for public hearing on January 7, 2025, with adoption scheduled for February 18 and an effective date of May 5, 2025—allowing time for public notice and hearing.

Solid Waste Contract and Rate Strategy

Amy Murray, Deputy Public Works Director, presented the seven-year solid waste collection contract (Contract 20241135) with Republic Services, an open-bid competitive award. The contract includes several service improvements: same-day trash and recycling pickup (versus separate-day collection previously); improved bulk waste scheduling (residents can call Republic directly up to four times per year, versus quarterly city-designated windows); transfer of cart maintenance from two city employees to Republic Services (with the affected employees reabsorbed into other departments); and a new partnership with Blue Polymers and Raring Pacific for plastic recycling, with processed material becoming new 96-gallon trash carts.

Murray noted that the current contract expires November 30, 2024, and the city received three proposals in the competitive process. The Solid Waste Review Committee recommended Republic Services based on value and alignment with council direction from a year prior to seek efficiency improvements.

Regarding finances, Murray presented a graph showing the city's Solid Waste Enterprise Fund balance under the current and proposed contracts. The city is not currently meeting its required 60-day reserve and will need rate increases to reach financial policy compliance. A proposed rate schedule shows an initial increase in February 2025, followed by annual 4 percent increases in December, bringing the fund into balance over the seven-year contract term.

Murray also noted that even with proposed increases, Buckeye remains in the lower half of comparable Valley cities' rates—a competitive position. The city posted maximum proposed rates on its website in early November and will formally advertise a notice of intent and public hearing in December, with a council resolution scheduled for January and an effective date of February 6, 2025.

Council Member Janine Guy questioned bulk waste procedures (Republic direct calling, four times per year) and asked about communication to residents. Robert Voner, Environmental Operations Manager, confirmed residents will call Republic directly. Guy pressed on when rates were last raised—2019–2020 according to staff—and emphasized the importance of early public notification, particularly through social media and utility bill inserts, rather than relying on website postings that most residents never check.

Council Member Michelle Hess asked about the discrepancy in inground service costs (used in Festival, an area of larger-lot homes), noting the charge is significantly higher. Amy Murray confirmed inground service is highly labor-intensive—requiring laborers to extract trash from buried containers and load it into a collection truck—and the higher cost reflects those labor demands. Hess noted the added cost is approximately $10 per month above current rates.

Eric Orsborn praised Republic Services' community engagement, noting that Alberto and Melissa (Republic representatives present) are "outstanding uh corporate partners" who participate in city events and provide excellent customer service. The council voted unanimously to approve the contract. Formal rate approval is scheduled for January, with February 6 implementation.

Council Salary Adjustment Policy

Doug Schumann presented Resolution 7824, establishing an annual automatic review process for council and mayor salaries. The last adjustment was in 2005, when the mayor's salary was set at $21,000 and council salaries at $14,000 annually—nearly 20 years unchanged.

The new process compares Buckeye's salaries to all Phoenix-area cities with populations above 90,000 (excluding Phoenix itself, which has a full-time mayor and council). The city will adopt whichever is greatest: the average of comparable cities' pay, the current salary adjusted by cost-of-living increases, or the status quo. This December, staff will conduct the first evaluation; implementation is scheduled for January 2025. Subsequent reviews will coincide with the annual budget cycle.

Schumann explained the rationale:

"the intent is that this December we will go out and do that evaluation and then Implement whatever that modification is in the month of January we will then do that review again in December of 2025 and from that point forward it'll fall right in line with the annual budget process with increases being built into the budget this will ensure that or Council pay stays as it is a system's in place and it will remove the baron Council from having to deal with such a sensitive topic at any point in the future."

Craig Heustis asked whether a future council could pause or reverse increases in fiscal emergencies, and Schumann confirmed that council retains full discretion to suspend the process.

Eric Orsborn noted the sensitivity of the topic, referencing his own experience: when he joined council in 2009, during severe fiscal crisis, council voted a 15 percent pay cut on departing members before the new council was seated. He expressed concern that Buckeye not fall to the very bottom of regional pay scales, which could discourage qualified candidates from serving. The council voted unanimously to adopt Resolution 7824.

Community Development Block Grant Applications

Andrea Marquez, Senior Planner, Special Projects, presented two CDBG applications for submission to Maricopa County:

  1. Cal Park Revitalization ($650,000 requested): Requesting reimbursement for design, engineering, and construction of improvements at Cal Park (6th Street and Edison Avenue, adjacent to the downtown library). The project includes expanded outdoor programming space, reading areas, playground equipment, and hardscape improvements. Total project cost is estimated at $862,000; the city will fund the difference through the general fund. The conceptual design shows south-side seating areas and north-side reading areas.

  2. Downtown Alley Improvements ($650,000 requested): Eight priority alleys will receive 12-foot minimum-width asphalt surfacing, estimated at $650,000 total construction cost. The project is designed and engineered (shovel-ready) and will address dust emissions, pothole complaints, and right-of-way maintenance.

CDBG funding is limited and competitive among West Valley cities (El Mirage, Avondale, Goodyear, Litchfield, Peoria, Tempe, Wickenburg, Youngtown). Eligible projects must benefit low-to-moderate-income (LMI) persons or areas, defined as households at or below 80 percent of median area income. Both projects are located in areas meeting the 56–60 percent LMI threshold.

The application deadline is December 10, 2024. Maricopa County will hold a public hearing in January, and award decisions are expected by February 2025. Historical implementation follows a notice-to-proceed in October (or earlier in prior years), allowing construction to begin.

Craig Heustis asked whether the projects are already internally approved and funded. Marquez confirmed they are vetted by department heads and city management but are unlikely to proceed without grant funding, except where they are part of the Capital Improvement Plan. Craig Heustis clarified that the Cal Park project is requesting $650,000 reimbursement (not full funding) and the city will cover overages from the general fund; the alley project is requesting $650,000 for construction costs only, with design and engineering already completed and funded.

The council voted unanimously on both resolutions (7324 for Cal Park and 7424 for Downtown Alley Improvements) to approve submission.

Recognition of Departing Council Members

The meeting closed with emotional recognition of Council Members Janine Guy and Michelle Hess, who are completing 13 and 12 years of service, respectively, as their terms end with the new council seated after the November 2024 election.

Vice Mayor Clay Goodman praised Hess's mentorship and friendship, noting that she helped him apply for council immediately upon his interest. He stated:

"I just want to thank you for your friendship and mentorship over the years and for all your service to Buckeye and with Janine it's uh the sister I never had on Council so was also one that I leaned on pretty heavily um has really appreciated her advice and Counsel on lots of things and just want to say you'll both be missed and thank you for your service to Buckeye"

Council Member Craig Heustis echoed the sentiment, attributing the council's reputation for professionalism and collegiality to Guy and Hess's example:

"I hear all the time about how this council is so uh friendly and collegial and professional up here and I think um since the day I got on this Council um way too long to think about but I have looked at both of you for the professionalism and how you treat each other and the rest of us as a is something to emulate."

Council Member Tony Youngker joked about Janine "leaning over right before I get to make a comment and going Tony don't cuss" and Michelle strategizing how to approach issues from angles he had not considered.

Eric Orsborn delivered an extended personal tribute, recalling meeting Hess twelve years earlier when she was touring community services facilities with her family, "painting break rooms," and noting her work with leadership development, the sciTech festival, and youth engagement. He reflected on serving with Guy, who has been involved in Buckeye's growth for decades:

"you've spent basically your entire life here 80 plus years of uh of being in the community it's probably not that long but uh but um uh but serving the city of Buckeye from a community services department Parks Library uh a city manager here uh building this place being a part of all the growth that has gone on and you were out and you didn't have to put up with this anymore and you jumped right back in to become a council member."

Both departing members expressed gratitude for their colleagues and staff. Hess noted the pleasure of serving with council, the stellar directorship across city departments, and the frontline employees who deliver daily services to residents. Guy reflected on 13 years of growing with the city, describing her colleagues as "family" and expressing confidence in the incoming council and staff. She thanked staff for their patience in her early years.

City Manager Dan Scott also acknowledged the departing members' service, noting the council's professionalism and the open invitation for them to attend future meetings as observers.

Other Notable Items

The council also approved two CDBG applications for submission (Cal Park revitalization and downtown alley improvements), both unanimously. A recognition of the Buckeye Youth Council highlighted the group's work on character development, civic engagement, and communication skills, with members reporting on the West Valley Youth Summit and committee projects ranging from military care packages to voter registration kits.

Project Details

The Mix on Roosevelt

CDBG Applications

Infrastructure Impact Fees

Solid Waste Contract

Council Salary Adjustment Policy

Vote Breakdown

All six major items passed unanimously:

Council Member Craig Heustis was absent. All other council members (Tony Youngker, Patrick HagEstad, Craig Heustis absent, and Jamaine Berry—not clearly listed as present in roll call) plus Mayor Eric Orsborn and Vice Mayor Clay Goodman participated.

Note: Individual vote breakdowns were not stated in the transcript; all votes were recorded via electronic voting machine.

Controversies & Context

The Tonopah incorporation dispute centers on allegations of procedural impropriety and misrepresentation. The incorporation group, seeking to create a new city, requested a city resolution supporting the boundaries in October 2023. According to public testimony, the group claimed "no significant organized opposition" in its submission, enabling placement on the consent agenda (routine items voted without discussion). Residents now allege this claim was false, pointing to a Facebook group with nearly 600 members opposed to incorporation.

Legal questions also emerge: City Attorney Brian Craig was not quoted directly on whether Buckeye even has authority to issue such a resolution (state law restricts consent resolutions to cities incorporated after a certain date; Buckeye predates that threshold). Keith Kronbach raised concerns about Saddle Mountain School District board member involvement, citing guidance from the state attorney general that such involvement is inappropriate.

The expansion of Buckeye's tax base into Tonopah would benefit the city financially in the short term (no municipal services required in that area while collecting revenue), but residents questioned the wisdom of facilitating an incorporation that may lack genuine community support. The resolution expires May 31, 2025; if the incorporation group seeks extension or a new resolution, it will likely face a full public hearing rather than consent agenda placement.

The parks amenity fee dispute reflects the tension between growth-infrastructure needs and development costs. The Home Builders Association contends the $1 million per-acre fee—which would add $400–$500 per residential unit—is excessive compared to peer cities. However, Eric Orsborn and council emphasized that Buckeye is severely under-parked (0.5 acres per thousand residents versus an adopted standard of 8 acres), and developers historically defer or eliminate amenities when project economics tighten, shifting costs to the general fund. The January 7 hearing will provide a final opportunity to adjust the fee before February adoption.

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Source: Buckeye City Council Meeting 11-19-2024 — November 20, 2024. Auto-generated YouTube transcript; may contain transcription errors.

for okay we're going to call this meeting to order this is the city of Buckeye uh council meeting a regular council meeting for November 19th 2024 and we are going to start off with the uh invocation led by Pastor Aaron Byam what Valley Leader for Christ Church of the Valley and followed by The Pledge led by council member guy join me in prayer father we are thankful for your faithfulness your goodness as we prepare tonight's meeting I just pray that you continue to go before us just as you continually do father as we prepare for tonight's meeting I just want to recognize two individuals Janine guy and Michelle hes for their civil service to our City for their faithful service of continuing to serve the city of Bucky and father as they go on in their careers I pray that you continue to allow them fortune and favor and also provisions and protection and father I pray for the two incoming council members that they would have a heart of service father I just pray that each and every single one of us recognize that we are all fallible and that you are infallible so if there's any issues tonight I I pray that you would just go before those and help us to see eye to eye and father I pray that you continue to make Buckeye a star on the map we know that it's one of the fastest growing cities if not the number one growing city often in the country and I believe that is because we are stewarding your resource as well and that we desire to do whatever it is that you desire for us to do so help us to have a servant heart just as Jesus did when he came and he reminded the disciples that the current leadership of that time would Lord it over their people but Jesus said not so with you because the son of man did not come to be served but to serve and give his life as a ransom to many so I pray for the council men and women the faculty and the staff and the City of Buckeye that they would continue to just be a servant leadership City we thank you for them doing that now and I pray that you continue to do so in Jesus name we pray amen Al to the flag the United States of America to the rep for it stands Nation God indivisible and thank you both uh thank you Pastor Aon okay we have the roll call please council member Yonker here council member heggestad here council member hes pres council member guy here council member hustus is absent vice mayor Goodman pres mayor orsborn present thank you very much item number three is Awards presentations and proclamations uh 3A the Buckeye youth Council will report on participation in events and volunteer activities to date would you please come forward good evening mayor and council members thank you for allowing us time to share about the work we are proudly doing the Buckeye youth council is made up of 20 council members and our executive team which includes and I'll let them introduce themselves I'm medalie Ang I am the secretary I am Haley moer I'm Vice chair and I'm Malia Davis our chair okay we meet once a month for an hour and a half the youth council is focused on three critical areas of leadership development which include character civil engagement or Civic engagement and communication we call these the three C's our report will highlight the work we are doing to build our capacity in each area first up is character the youth council is working as a team to create our meeting norms and expectations developing and maintaining high expectations for engagement ensures strong a strong sense of sensibility and responsibility among our team several council members attend the league U of cities conference and Town's conference in the their first West Valley youth Summit I this is actually a quote for me at the league of cities conference I had the ability to collaborate with other Youth councils and actively participate in planning a city youth Summit the experience was enriching and providing valuable lessons and a chance to network with peers which was a key goal of mine this year council member Jaden or green I'm sorry stated the West Valley youth Summit had a was a great way to connect and learn with other students from other youth councils I really enjoyed the breakout sess sessions such as Stress Management as well as the public speaking support next up is Civic engagement this year the Bucky youth Council implemented committees to further Empower and engage our council members the Civic engagement committee is working on a project to organize a donation drive to gather essential items like hygiene products and clothes we hope to collaborate with the local nonprofit and high school counselors for distribution to the community the community outreach committee is working in conjunction with City staff to engage our youth in culture focused learning activities at a city sponsored event in the spring we are very excited for this opportunity to bring additional culture cultural awareness to our neighbors in addition we have three seniors completing projects of their own these council members have individually reached out to the community members for resources and support mdty guy is collecting 200 cards to send in care packages for those actively serving in the military Elizabeth he's created voter kits to encourage her peers to register to vote before the deadline and is now working on collecting Civic engagement resources for the community I'm working on a project called Rock the block and in which I am working with local business owner owners and City staff to decorate certain areas of downtown with rocks painted by our very own residents lastly is communication each week we set aside some time to practice our public speaking skills we start by working through lessons developing developed by Toast Masters and then we meet in small groups discussing topics and present impromptu speeches thank you again and this concludes our report we welcome any questions that you may have okay thank you any any uh comments from Council seeing none thank you so much we sure because it's uh uh comments from the the or I'm sorry the awards and presentations um and we'll go back to comments from the public I missed that uh that item on this you're proud of our Buckeye youth Council and all that they do and we have the opportunity to see them in action all the time and you all just had the opportunity to see them in action tonight uh they are learning so much and um and going to be such incredible citizens are all going to go on and do really really awesome things and we hope that they continue to do those awesome things right here in the city of Buckey so uh thank you for for presenting uh item number two I'll go back to that com M from the public members of the audience May comment on any non-agenda item of Interest I have uh seven uh comments all on the incorporation at tonopa so that we're not here all night long generally we give three minutes uh to each speaker and if we could ask you to keep it to two minutes to each speaker or if you want to uh gather I'm sure everyone of you wants the opportunity to get up and say great things uh if you want to consolidate that to one person we give them longer but um we'll go through the the list and uh we'll we'll leave that up to you all uh so first up uh Nick Mt just come right on into the the bullpen here and the the light of light and when the green light's on then you've got two minutes I'm origin of tono and I'm against this incorporation it's going to impact Bucky as well as Tona paa financially for what these people are trying to do or want to do and I'm asking for you guys not to cooperate anymore they're doing some stuff behind the the curtain type thing trying to bamboozle all of us so I'm just against it all together it's too much of a financial loss for the residents of Tona paaul and as well what they're trying to do is going to impact Financial things in Buckeye because they're going to start they want to build everything out there whenever one in Buckeye or Tona comes to Buckeye so that just going to create competition between the two places and I just don't think that's very financially smart for anything thank you yep thank you Mr Mt am I saying that correctly okay thank you uh next is uh don Hughes good evening mayor and council members um I am also a tonopa resident have been for the last uh 11 years um last November there was a local businessman u in tonopa who has a sales flyer that he kind of presents as a newspaper that uh Ley noted that this Council passed a resolution approving some boundaries and so forth for for the future tonopa Corporation so that was the first that I had heard of a serious move towards incorporation so what we did right after that is attended the uh very next meeting of the tonopa incorporation group and uh there are 40 people that showed up opposed to the five people who are there for the incorporation and the point I just wanted to make is that there there's a bit more conflict in this than I think was originally presented in the consent agenda and so I'd just like to um ask the council to reconsider that resolution and perhaps bring it back up for a rehearing in the future okay yeah thank you uh susette Hughes evening I'm sus Hughes I'm a resident of tonopa and I'm also here not only to oppose the incorporation of tonapa but to call out a deliberate falsehood that was submitted to this Council last year by the incorporation group um in order to get their submission of request which I have a copy of here um on the consent agenda they claimed that there was and I quote no significant or organized opposition to incorporating and um I can say assuredly that there is and has been significant opposition um there was even a Facebook group called tonopa residents opposed to incorporation and I just looked today there's almost 600 members that's a pretty big number for little old tonapa so I consider that quite significant um there are no opposition claim that they included in their submission was stated so that they could get it on a consent agenda which was a blatant effort to mislead the council so um last October resolution number 110 d23 was passed as part of a consent agenda but as I stated Bucky city council was given misleading false information and so I would request based on this that the resolution be rescinded if the incorporation group wants to move forward it should be done properly and in the open so my request would be to consider resending that resolution that was passed on the misleading statements um have time to finish the last thank you thank you very much Miss huse U Mr Graham hello mayor councel um we met about a year ago go when we came to see if you could resend that resolution and for people in the audience you're like what is going on here some people in tonopa want to incorporate and it makes their job a lot easier if they can get a consent resolution from the city of Buckeye because our borders will match um they played fast and loose with the law and as we discussed with the city attorney this Council may not even have the authority to give a consent resolution because the law state said it applies to cities that incorporated after a particular date and Buckey is an older City they Incorporated before the date so you may not even have the authority to give a consent but definitely I live in the uh right off the hampa so I'm in the city of Buckeye I've got 40 acres their expansion Zone um I don't see why it's in any interest whatsoever for this city to take all that tax money right now you don't have to do any maintenance in Tona you don't have to provide any services but we all come to Watson and Miller to do all of our shopping why would you want all that tax money to go away anyway um they're out of time because they screwed up using uh when they submitted the application they used a name that they don't own it's owned by another entity and so they're now out of time and they either need to get an extension on the res resolution or they need you to provide a new resolution and we asked this Council just to say oh heck no we don't want any part of that wasp nest thank you thank you Mr gr uh Keith cronbach miss lucenda when that orange or the yellow light goes on how much time is left at that point 30 seconds 30 seconds okay green light I'm going to take 30 seconds green light is 2 minutes yellow light is 30 seconds yellow light means go real fast okay all right we ready here we go I just want to thank the mayor and the council for letting me speak tonight and I don't want nobody to take anything personal I want to thank the uh the City attorney for getting me all the documentation that I asked for a few weeks back and I finally got it this morning uh want to thank Brian for listening to my emails and stuff and talking to me on the phone we had some real civil conversations the last couple weeks uh but I've been a resident of Tona paa for almost 30 years now and this has come up several different times and it's always involved the same person uh city of Buckeye how many political subdivisions do you have in the city of Buckeye you got seven or eight most of them are school districts you got the fire district then you got the school districts uh do you guys know who your leaders are in the in the school districts generally Mr J Dan blackton is one of them and he sits on the settle Mountain School District out of all this documentation here he has signed every single one of them every single one of them according to the state's attorney general and the advocate for superintendence he should not be involved in this and that was the conversations that I've had with them uh I've been waiting on his documentation to file a complaint with the Attorney General's office but they told me to come here and speak and show my concerns to the city council because Saddle Mountain School District is shared with the city of Buckeye and there's a lot of people that are going to pay for this incorporation other than just tonapa it's going to be residents of buy thank you appreciate the time thank you Mr kumc uh Jane uh pyer all right I said it right you did all right good evening mayor city council my name is Jane pier and I live on 331st Avenue in tonopa part of the reason why I'm here tonight um and I want to thank everybody for being so willing to listen to us and all of the folks from tonopa I am in the future growth area of Buckeye okay my property where I reside is on the west side of 331st Avenue which puts me very much right on your Edge like I am the furthest that you have declared going west for the growth area so I'm kind of stuck in no man's land okay I am not part of the city of Buckeye I have a Tona paw address but I'm not included in the Buckeye resolution boundaries either so I'm in no man's land I'm stuck in the middle when have you ever known a city not to grow somebody's going to come along and clobber my property whether it is this new community of tonopa which whose idea hate or whether it's Buckeye which I hate less it's not that I hate Buckeye I just don't I want to be rural I chose rural for a reason and I want to be rural the resolution given in October expires May 31st of 20125 there is no way for them to finish the process by the time that expiration date rolls around the group that came to you and ask for that resolution will have no choice but to come back to you and ask for either an extension or a new resolution we absolutely beg you not to do that by consent agenda but rather if you're going to consider it that it be by full hearing where full opportunity is given to all the citizens of tonapa to come and speak before you thank you thank you for hating us less Mrs P it came out badly uh Scott bloom uh good evening mayor and council members um I guess I'm the new be out in tonapa and I got thrust into this um I had to move out there because I have to stay rural I have a horse breeding facility and when I came out there all of a sudden I was saying that they were moving they were turning it into a city so I went to a couple of their meetings and I was shockingly surprised how ignorant they are in a financial situation of what it takes to run a city they are completely underestimating one person says we can make a police department for $500,000 and I looked at them and I says it's costing me a million dollars to set up my horse property there's no way you can do this so they are trying to create a city on Strictly using Arizona tax money that is solely not going to be enough money to do what they means which means that this city is going to be formed Incorporated and within no time is going to be in bankruptcy because there's not enough population to survive and stuff so I'm asking you to not extend their resolution if not disregard it because they will be wasting Arizona taxpayer money that they get to start this city up because there's no way that they can survive thank you very much thank you Mr Bloom uh that's the the last of the um comments from the public speaker request card do you have any other speaker request cards over there no additional requests I do have one more for 6D but that's a later agenda item um Mr attorney uh Brian one of you might be able to answer what when does this come before Council again uh Mr Mayor um just to remind the city council back last year the council adopted a resolution that's been referenced a couple times in the presentations from the public that resolution expires in May of 2025 there is no nothing scheduled before you you adopted the resolution not opposing the tonopan corporation uh if the incorporators want to come back and and talk to us uh uh it's my understanding I don't I don't I'm not as well versed as Brian Craig is on on this subject but I don't believe that they are in a position that they're going to make a ballot in May and so consequently I think their resolution is going to expire without them having taken action and so um my sense is we will probably hear from somebody from the incorporator side wanting a new resolution and then that time the council can consider that staff will continue to work with with both the tonopa groups to try to understand the issues and we'll present to you u in opportunity to consider whether or not we want to come back on a a Tona PA resolution okay nothing scheduled right now sir nothing scheduled right now uh later date um potentially okay appreciate that and I appreciate all of the public comment tonight thank you for um working that within two minutes each and uh more to come on that thank you okay item number four is uh consent to gen items in new business approval of items on the consent agenda all items with an asct are considered to be routine matters and will be enacted by one motion and vote of the city council there will be no separate discussion of these items unless a council member requests the section may include the approval of minutes from previous meetings uh Council what is your pleasure on the consent agenda mayor I make a motion that we approve items 4 a through 4 I I'll second have a motion um for approval of the consent agenda and a second by councilman Goodman uh if you would vote on your magic voting machine I think we're all in uh passes unanimous thank you very much that's so anticlimactic now uh we should at least please call those in favor say I okay that was anticlimactic too that's great luckily we have the machine where we don't have to speak uh okay item number five continued tabled and public hearings no action will be taken on the items listed in this section details of the continuous were reflected in the item descriptions both 5A uh let's see 5A no action will be taken on this item the item is and the accompanying public hearing is continued till the January 21st 20 25 regular council meeting and for item 5B this item no action will be taken this item in the companying public hearing is continued to the January 21st 2025 regular council meeting we move on to item number six public hearings and non-consent new business uh 6A Council to hold a public hearing take action on ordance number 28-24 amending the zoning map of the city of Buckey for approximately 31.8 2 Acres located at the southeast corner of verway and Roosevelt Street from plan residential to planned area development and to present uh we have Mr Ken galika good evening mayor excuse me good evening mayor members of the council Ken galika planning manager presenting a rezoning of property uh for a development called the mix on Roosevelt um so the uh property is is highlighted on these three exhibits it's just under 32 Acres 31.8 2 Acres uh specifically it's located at the Hard Southeast corner of verado way and Roosevelt Street uh just to orient you on the aerial photograph to the north is the baky Commons East shopping center it's the Costco shopping center um to the uh Northwest is the abzo campus that's uh starting to uh go to construction uh directly to the West is another commercial development called the uh Roosevelt Commons shopping center uh and then The Summit Church is located to the east of this property everything else uh well directly west um we also have the uh APS PTY nuclear energy education center and uh and West Mech everything else in the area is is undeveloped currently uh the zoning map in the middle of the screen uh shows the site as planned residential this is a a zoning District obsolete District specifically that allows for single family uh residential development which uh is not necessarily consistent with the uh General plan designation which is the third uh map on your screen on the far right uh this property is located within the uh Gateway Activity Center we've referred to it now or we've kind of informally change the name of the area to The Landing uh we're working on a specific area plan for that area um the city envisions that really is as a more dense Urban uh type of environment um not so much of a single family kind of extension of of uh the single family environment that we see throughout most of of Buckeye um so uh this particular rezoning U will rezone the site to planned area development which again is now a standalone uh zoning District so we don't need to rezone it to Commercial and multif family with an overlay we can uh simply rezone it to this pad the pad will um have established two separate distinct sub areas the red uh sub area on the north side of the street up against Roosevelt um is about 12 and 3/4 Acres um that will be a commercial uh sub area where uh will be developed as a grocery anchored shopping center um with a very specific tailored use list based on the C2 District but with uh Auto oriented uses such as gas stations um Auto Repair uh some of those types uses as well as drive-throughs um with with limitations or or outright not being permitted within the proposed uh pad um the residential area is shown in yellow uh that's slightly larger it's 17.3 Acres uh that is uh per the p8 would be developed with a 394 unit apartment complex roughly 22 and a half or so dwelling units to the acre um with the uses in that Zone per the mf2 district so just your standard residential uses would be permitted in that um both of the sites have really uh both of the components of this site have really good access uh the commercial uh has direct access off of Roosevelt as well as verado way the residentials primary access is from Filmore to the South which will be a future signalized intersection itself um but there's also really good cross connectivity provided um with uh driveways as well as uh shaded uh pedestrian connections um provided between the two uh components really to encourage that mixed use uh type of environment where the residents is where the residents are uh frequenting the the businesses in the shopping center the development will be served by City Water and Sewer um details of which will be W worked out during the site planning process uh and as is customary the developer will improve adjacent half Street just real quickly you want to point out uh the Landy map shows a roundabout at Rosevelt and BR away um at their primary entrance to the commercial that's not necessarily uh going to be the uh the end solution there it's possible it could be um but that also might be just a more typical signalized intersection uh we're working through those details uh so the pads as you are aware can be used to modify certain um standards from from the base zoning District so in this particular case uh we have used the pad to make some of those modifications in line kind of with the vision that we're hearing uh for the landing area so um we have uh slightly increased the building setback adjacent to streets uh this is in the commercial area um from 0 to 8 ft now what that will do is um it won't set the the buildings back significantly far where it feels like a Suburban environment but will allow just enough uh Landscaping to soften uh the the development from the perspective of those adjacent streets uh the non Street side building setbacks meaning the East property line shared with the church um would be reduced uh to zero feet given that it's not a residential use occurring there uh zero foot setback is typically appropriate excuse me my allergies are extra bad today um the building height uh would be uh increased from the standard of 50 feet which is uh typically allowed in the C2 District to 80 feet I want to be clear that this developer doesn't have any intent on actually using that 80 ft but it would allow for that more intense uh development which staff feels is is appropriate in the landing area in the future should uh should the site redevelop um we also establish a minimum Building height which we don't do in our uh zoning ordinance or in our development code uh we establish a minimum Building height for the commercial uh so the primary buildings the majors the grocery store Etc uh will have a 30- foot height and the pads on the perimeter of the site uh would have a 20 foot minimum height uh that's really to create that more vertical Urban type of feel uh within this development the P also uh modify some of the design standards from our our development code uh really trying to get at presenting um a strong appearance from the perspective of those adjacent streets with a focus on verway and I'll talk about that more in just a little bit uh one of those things is enhanced uh screening and uh requirements for location of of drive-throughs as you see on the site plan the drive-throughs that are proposed are to uh both adjacent to Roosevelt Street which uh isn't uh so much the visual uh priority on this Corridor but verado way has a very near continuous building Frontage the uh residential area very similar uh modifications to uh development standards the street side non- street side building setbacks identical uh to what I just discussed uh our code doesn't establish a a minimum Building height excuse me maximum Building height in our mf2 district so we do establish one here uh just to give people some level of comfort that it's not going to be 100 100 story buildings uh within this area uh there is an elimination of a third story stepback requirement that's a requirement in our code show you um that within 50 feet of adjacent streets uh a three-story building would have to step back to two uh two stories so using this image at the bottom right uh corner of your screen um this uh building would need to basically uh take a stair step to two stories for the the portion that was located within uh that 50 foot of the street property line uh we're fully supportive of this again we're trying to really create a very uh vertical Edge to the project um certain locations in in the city that would not necessarily be appropriate um but that would be something that we're we're looking to do here create that uh sense of of difference from the remainder of the community uh the landscape percentage within the residential is increased uh doubled actually from uh was required and there is uh EXT extra uh design requirements can is this allergies or you get getting choked up because you're so excited about this project I'm very excited post postnasal drip unfortunately thank thank you for that we got that on record yeah yes uh it's it's yeah it's just I don't know it's not a comfortable day uh anyway I mentioned the design emphasis on verado way uh trying to really Orient those buildings up at the street um so that when you drive down verado way um it's going to feel like you're in a more urban type of location I don't want to equate it to Downtown Phoenix we're not quite there yet um but uh certainly feel different than what we see in other quarters throughout the city um you can see the residential uh buildings there pressed to the to the back of the sidewalk uh the the walls um typically would enclose the uh these types of apartment complexes kind of create an internal uh compound if you would uh in this case those buildings uh the walls will connect the building so that the the buildings themselves kind of create that Urban Edge so excited about that um the commercial this is a view uh as if you were standing in the intersection of verado way and Roosevelt looking into the project two buildings commercial buildings kind of butt up against each other creating that pedestrian uh Plaza opportunity for outdoor dining uh in that area and really interface well again with the intersection uh so wrapping up um staff believes the p8 is consistent with the uh Gateway Activity Center uh what we're calling the landing uh General plan land use designation while we don't have that plan fully baked yet uh we have had a a lot of public feedback as far as what they're expecting to see and I think this is uh starting to get toward that in the future when we uh finish that plan up I think the biggest uh the the heaviest or most intense uses will be to the South uh that that'll be what we probably consider the core but this is kind of stepping up uh from in scale from the Costco uh as you get to that future core area the uh pad also emphasizes The Pedestrian uh again those pedestrian Crossings connections between the residential and Commercial and these are not your uh sometimes you see those uh just kind of dump out into a service area uh of a a shopping center in this case it's it's much better planning than that uh these are not out litting into those types of service areas uh this will be in safe and illuminated locations landscaped and [Music] shaded I mentioned narrowing the use list um to restrict those Auto oriented uses also less res desirable retail uses your pawn shops aren't permitted those types of things uh thrift stores uh only 5,000 ft maximum so that would just be your boutique uh type of of thrift stores Etc as well as low intensity commercial uses like Mini Storage would not be uh permitted here uh we like the Aesthetics the the design uh both the commercial and residential are very complimentary to one another but not certainly not to the point where they're identical or matching that gets a little boring so um we feel this is a really good strong P from from that architectural standpoint uh very high quality materials being used modern contemporary reflective of of a lot of the development we're seeing in this particular area uh the developer I mentioned will be completing those offsite infrastructure improvements uh the extent of some of those still still to be determined uh and all uh reviewing departments have given the thumbs up a relatively simple public participation process with this uh the only attendee to the neighborhood meeting was council member hustus um so now you guys have caught up to him so each of you have attended one meeting on this project uh no written support or opposition uh received to date uh from any AD joining property owner uh both of the school districts that this property is located with within uh have given uh Prov provided uh adequate school facility certificates they are working with the developer on donation agreements if if necessary uh Planning and Zoning commission did recommend approval back in October and all notices have been required or completed excuse me uh so with that apologize for my raspiness tonight um happy to answer any questions this is a public hearing item we do recommend approval uh and the developer applicant Carolyn oberholzer on behalf of the project developers uh is here as well if you have any questions okay thank you Ken um we'll go to well first we'll open up a public hearing um I do not have any speaker request cards uh Miss Lucen do we have any speaker request cards for this item there are no speaker request cards none okay uh we have no public speakers so we will close the public hearing and uh questions from Council council member has um you mentioned the round about do we need a a stipulation for that or is that not really part of the agreement that's just something later for the uh yeah um mayor council member house um we me the P itself mentions um and some of the exhibits note that that is a possible condition um but also give the alternate of of a more typical um four-way intersection there so we don't need to stipulate anything okay and then the second thing you you said the design was um you guys were in favor of the design will we go as far as having some kind of um design for the landing or suggested pallets or and is that kind of known now since it's a moving yeah I I think to a certain extent um and mayor council member forgive me for not going through protocol um um yes we will have some sort of design um expectations guidelines for the landing area I don't think we'll get into such a a fine degree where you need to use this color or this material um but try to be consistent in terms of more of a contemporary type of style flat roofs instead of your pitched roofs etc those types of things um this is very much in line with a lot of what we're seeing with uh the abzo project that's under construction with the retail um some of the additional retail buildings that are in under construction to the north in the Costco Center and to the West in the Roosevelt Common Center too so um I would say future development will probably share this type of aesthetic although we might expect it to be more intense a little taller Etc okay I just want to make sure we're communicating expectations and that it's a fluid um design overlay at this point time yes you we we we don't want to get too prescriptive because like get that cancels out creativity and a cases but certainly don't want to open it up and and be too uh too varied across the board thanks that's all I have mayor thank you council member um I'm not seeing any other questions I have just a couple can uh we have a a maximum height it it looks like we're depicting three story for the the residential uh if there was an opportunity to do more is planning excited about higher residential in that area yes mayor planning would would welcome uh a four or five story um building here and you wouldn't even necessarily need to amend the P to do something like that we could work through that at site plan because this would establish the allowance for that okay is is there anybody from Alliance residential here they're not going to Adit oh you're admitt to it okay so hear that out loud we're not going to force youall to do anything and I don't know how many meetings you guys go to where they're saying ah it's not dense enough and we'd like it to be taller uh just hear us on that no pressure but we would love to see that that elevation up higher uh in that four to five story um similar to what I think we see in the West Valley along Avendale Boulevard which is a a project that Mr GLE is really familiar with don't know anything about it right I I will say this is a tall three story um so they've given us um you know taller stories here so it'll hopefully create some of that verticality more so than your typical three story but certainly if we want to do more um happy to work with the developer yeah so a four story with some gingerbread on top to make it look like a five so seven stories okay seven stories is is good by planning Alliance residential you heard that correct this is all on tape uh and um really excited about that really excited about the entire project and the opportunity here uh anyone from Banner here I'm not seeing any B this is a uh Banner uh Health piece of property and it's gone through a process where Banner looked at this the uh Eric's understanding of it anyway uh where Banner looked for development Partners to come in and do something special on this there are a number of things that could have been done that uh don't really fit the vision of the area and I I'm really thankful that Banner ch chose uh someone like Eisenberg company and uh someone like Alliance residential to build four or five story buildings on this piece of property uh we could not be more excited about the partners that are coming in and doing the work I shouldn't speak for all of us but me specifically uh I I know Eisenberg and Alliance do some really really special stuff and and we're excited uh to see this project executed here and to bring in the the brands that I think are being baned about so um councilman y you have something to add yeah I just wanted to piggy back on that uh I know that we have throughout the city we have lots of different multif family projects that are on our docket I think at one point it was up in their low 40s can you uh touch briefly on why this project works so well in this particular area and it might not work so well in others and why we would be excited for that five or six story building or 18 story whatever Eric decides his number is in a minute um but just speak briefly on that why from a planning aspect it makes sense to have something like that in that area but not necessarily somewhere else yeah that's that's a good point that I didn't really touch on but um overall the city's vision for for the landing dating back to the general plan was was for an intense um you could compare it to places like heand or um or other kind of U kind of Mega builtmore area the you know 24th and Camelback type of area um here where you have um a lot of commercial U you have a lot of restaurants um Services Etc offices um if there's still a demand to build offices um to do that um you need population um you need uh significant population in terms of people and income um within a one three five mile radius Economic Development could explain all that a lot better than me but um these each one of these residential developments in this landing area and you'll see a few more in the next six months if not less than that uh coming in for this very um same general vicinity um each one will you know add a, 1500 2,000 residents um that will help us get to those uh those numbers that the the developers of the retail the developers of the office Etc are looking for so um this area is perfect for that Vision because it's it's largely untouched there's not much uh from an existing neighbor standpoint you're not going to anger too many people we're very um we're very um cognizant of um blue Horizons and Sundance which are on the kind of outer edges of the landing area and we'll step down as we get closer to those areas of course um but for this verado Corridor uh very little in place that we have to um you know worry about offending a or something like that okay that's all I had I just want to go on the record that everybody gives me crap about not being a big uh advocate of multif family but where it works it works so I agree with this project understood yep I've I've never heard anybody give him crap today that's ridiculous okay uh item 6A then counil let's see we've had the public hearing closed that uh asked and answered um question so Council 6A what is your pleasure Mr Mayor I move approval of item 6A so uh motion for approval by councilman or vice mayor Goodman second by council member Yonker would you please uh vote on your machine and all in favor say I I and opposed and we are unanimous 68 passage unanimous thank you very much Alliance School build five-story buildings thank you all right item 6B Council will hold a public hearing and take action on resolution number 7324 approving the submission of an application for a Community Development block grant cdbg to the Maricopa County Human Services Department Housing and Community Development Division for the Kell Park revitalization project uh and this will be presented by Miss Andrea Marquez uh good evening mayor and members of the council um Andrea Marquez senior planner special projects uh presenting tonight um before you our cdbg applications to midd so with your permission um I have combined the uh presentation Council will have to hold two separate public hearing motions again uh public hearing is required um it's one of the requirements for the submission of the application um in addition to assigned resolution um this is for the 2025 2026 Community Development block grant known as CD cdbg um it's for um that cycle year tonight before you um for public hearing is resolution 7324 and that's to ratify the submission for the cdbg cell Park revitalization application and for resolution 7424 ratifying the submission of cdbg downtown alley improvements as you can see the city will be submitting two separate applications this so what I would like to do is go over our HUD National objectives pass board projects cdbg funding eligibility um the two program proposed projects for this year next steps and then of course staff recommendations in order to submit our applications we need to make sure that they're eligible so projects can focus on the following objectives and that's to benefit low to moderate income which is um I'll be using LMI a lot in this presentation um Lo moderate income person area or clientele applications can also be uh submitted for housing job creation retention infrastructure and Facilities also prevention or elimination of Slum and blight um area bases spot bases urban renewal and urgent need now the city has always focused um our projects on benefits to um LMI clientele and or areas so for example recent Awards have been for infrastructure improvements which would include Alleyways water sore lines sidewalks and then also a senior center kitchen expansion our completed projects um which is also these are noted in our applications so they strengthen our applications when we um are submitting um in 2021 2022 we were awarded 600,000 um for the kitchen expansion which is fully functional and in operation today in uh last year we were awarded 65,000 for the construction cost um for our Alleyway improvements in 10th street so uh we're currently under design and Engineering for that project we're anticipating Construction starting in January uh to complete in April um and then all reporting to U Maricopa County by June of next year in order to be eligible for cdbg funding we have to adhere to a 5-year comprehensive plan which is um drawn up by Maricopa County activities must take place in low to moderate income areas or benefit low to moderate income persons that provides a yearly updated LMI summary data for uh grantees to use to determine um compliance and um that they meet the national objective so area based or person based projects have to be either within a 49% percentile or 51 and both projects that are being submitted have been identified within either the 56% 60% sorry there a lot of numbers in there um LMI area so these applications have been vetted out and do qualify for submission um so H actually identify identifies uh defines low to moderate income or persons or households with an income that does not exceed 80% of the median income so the current 2024 medium household income from Maricopa um county is 101,000 so there's just a chart for reference so as you can see um a household of four persons um are considered very low um income if they uh do not exceed that 30,000 so this year estimated available cdbg funding um is unknown it's estimated to be at 1.

.7 million we do receive these funds through Maricopa County and the funds are limited um applicants must provide their own funds for administration and Grant activities and this process is competitive um including ourselves there's typically applications that are submitted by El Mirage Elin Guadalupe uh Lichfield work does not participate Fountain Hills does not participate uh to to and Wickenberg in Youngtown um are the towns and cities that do submit applications every year um before you just a real quick Aral of our vicinity map of our Cal Park revitalization so the cdbg funds will be used for construction uh which would include demo site grading new Landscaping Hardscape irrigation electrical and new ameni you know Cal Park is um located on 6th Street and Edison Avenue so if you're familiar with our downtown library just uh directly adjacent to that so with the cdbg application we will be requesting $650,000 this is a reimbursement total project total cost is around $862,000 so some of those funds will be coming out of our general fun the need for the project um I have some pictures just for um reference and these will also be included in the application so our program rooms are exceeding capacity and then also I would like to if I remember how to use this coiner okay um I just the picture where you see the bookshelves I just wanted you to um notice that when we do have programming at the library staff does have to relocate and move those over off to the side so there's um activity area space um for the children for story time or any other activities the library will have so um for these funds uh the proposed outputs are going to be outdoor so outdoor providing outdoor program program areas and reading areas um additional and then also additional features for playground equipment as well so this is a conceptual drawing I will also be including just some conceptual design this project has not been um designed or engineered at this time so those funds that we're asking with the grant um that will be be included so as you can see if um we go back the programming space this is to the south of the library as you can see uh shaded areas some uh seating areas for parents and then a designated area for our our little residents to go to our library programs and then this is on the North side so this is also just additional um feing and reading area that will be proposed with this grant money and then our next application is for Downtown LA improvements the funds will be used for construction and that will help um reduction of just dust emissions eliminate pothole complaints improve RightWay maintenance install signage and improve access to homes and public facilities um this one's a pretty simple project um it's just adding asphalt Alleyways at a minimum of 12T wide um this is a project that has already been designed and engineer engineered so it is shovel ready um I have uh selected for the public works department there's approximately eight priority La WS that we would like to construct with this particular uh funding so so those are highlighted in red and with this grant request we we are requesting 650,000 in reimbursement and um we are estimating our construction for the eight Alleyways is approximately 650,000 and that's based on the um Engineers probable cost um before you you can see it's just a picture of our existing L we like to get those improved with this grant now um Grant application implementation schedule why this is important why we're um here today for public hearing applications were available in October our deadline for application submitt is December 10th um so I need to make sure that I have my um documentation to submit with my application submittal January uh Mara County will have the first public hearing and this is where the applicants will make their presentations we will be inviting Public Works and also Community Services to assist me with those presentations then the city could learn as early as February if we will be getting funded um you know either one or both projects and then um during that time Maricopa County staff will be um sending those recommendations from sedap to the Board of Supervisors um in addition to their annual action plan and then uh typically they have this in the calendar as early as July that we'd get a notice to proceed but historically we usually get a notice to proceed sometime in October that's the implementation schedule so again just as a reminder I'm here to conduct to um to present the resolution so we can conduct a public hearing to ratify the submissions of two separate cdbg applications and approve the following resolution 7324 for the Cal Park and 74- 24 for the proposed downtown Alleyway improvements and that concludes my presentation thank you thank you Miss Andrea um let's uh we'll take these one at a time we'll start with 6B uh we will open a public hearing do we have any speaker request cards for item 6B no speaker requests no speaker request cards um we will now close the public hearing and Council any questions on 6B yes sir remind me have we already approved these projects 6B and 6c um mayor and Council member heat the projects um internally get vetted through um our department heads and approved through City Management in regards to funding um some of these projects are within the CIP as proposals but they have not been adopted so again um if we are not awarded I I don't see us moving forward with these projects unless they are part of a c program Okay so um if I understand you correctly 6B wouldn't move forward if we didn't get the the grant is that correct say that again I'm sorry 6B is unlikely to move forward if we don't get the grant correct right and the projects in 6B would we're just talking about a portion of the funding for for those upgrades yes so for um the Kel Park revitalization we do have a cost estimate that is also part of the application subal um typically to be competitive you know we're not going to ask for the full amount so uh 650 I feel as a fair and competitive ask the city does have to um run up all costs of the project and again it's a reimbursement so once uh we submit all the the documentation to the county we do receive reimbursement checks okay but not for the we're not even asking for the whole amount of what we're going to spend on this out of the general fund just a portion correct okay and that's true on the other one too correct that one we did a little different because it's a larger project so we because we do have a cost estimate for the Alleyways we um took out approximately eight Al ways will cost us the city 650,000 to construct okay well I guess I can ask you those questions and when you have the hearing on 6C is that how we want uh no you can go ahead and ask ask now we can take them both at at the same time we just have to public hearing and vote on them individually so the way I understand it is under 6C um we're only asking for reimbursement of the design engineering permits that design engineering and permits for 650 so the actual construction would cost be something other than the 650 we we'd be asking for and you see so the way the grants are are written for 6B which is Cal Park we have um ask for a portion of our design and Engineering to be covered with the reimbursement and then um and also construction so it's a total of 650,000 um the only difference between the B and C is that if we were awarded for the alleyway since it's already designed and engineered it's shovel ready we can move forward with the project as soon as we get our notice to proceed with 6B because we're asking money for design and Engineering we will have to wait until we get the notice to proceed to even move forward with designing and Engineering okay the project well I mean I'm just trying to make a distinction here that in in 6C we're asking the 650 is not for complete construction it's only for the design engineering plans and permits for 6C for 6C for 6C it's already designed and engineered so we're only asking for construction the money we receive from the county will only go through for um towards construction C okay um I'm looking at 6C and it says the application for this project will ask for reimbursement of 650,000 or construction costs only the design engineering plans and permits are estimated to be 650,000 so we're asking for construction costs so that second sentence there the design engineering plans and permits are estimated to be budgeted through the general fund that's that's just a mistake in what was written there it is and at the time that I was writing the car um I was unaware that the design and Engineering was already completed for this particular house okay so under 6C we're actually asking for construction costs in the amount of 650,000 okay correct which and we've already done the design and Engineering on that one those are completed okay okay thank you for that clarification um that's all go thank you okay apologies for the confusion all right any other questions on item 6B uh Council then what is your pleasure on 6B Mr Mayor make a motion that we approve item 6B I'll second I have a motion by council member hes second by vice mayor Goodman on 6B all in favor say I and vote all I and opposed and passes unanimous on to item 6 c will open a public hearing uh do we have any speaker request cards for item 6 C no speaker requests no speaker requests uh so any questions on item 6C other questions Council all right Council what's your pleasure on 6C Mr Mayor make a motion that we approve item 6C second we have a motion by council member hes second by vice mayor Goodman all in favor say I and vote I I and opposed and passes unanimous 6B and 6c thank you Miss Marquez thank you good evening uh item 6D Council take action on resolution number 7724 adopting the land use assumptions and infrastructure Improvement plan and adopting a notice of intent to assess development fees in compliance with state law and to present this we'll have Mr William copy you are up thank you mayor vice mayor council members um the item before you tonight for your considerations a little bit the it's over thank you very much okay Council what's your pleasure Ken thing here um sorry about that so get them before you tonight for your consideration is to approve the land use assumption and the infrastructure Improvement plan um these two reports were crucial in creating and proposing our um upcoming impact fees um this item was previously discussed at the uh October 15th public hearing so tonight I'm just going to give you a brief overview of some of the highlights of the public hearing going over two changes that were made made to the budget or to the report and then we have one outstanding issue that will be discussed also tonight um just to talk a little bit about the stakeholder process our first meeting started October 19th in 23 so it was a well over a year ago we started this process and actually meeting with the stakeholder group I think that process was a extremely valuable process we we had a lot of positive dialect between the groups and a lot of that information is being reflected in in the report so we had a total of eight stakeholder meetings um in addition to that we had many meetings after with some of the different groups that were part of the stakeholder committee um talked to them about their issues some of their concerns we tried to address those issues within the report so I think we we've kind of accommodated all those with the exception of one item which you'll hear about tonight um in addition we met with the master developers had our 13 meetings so again it was very very beneficial um they we listened to their feedback and that has also been incorporated into this report so I want to start with some of the changes that occurred since the 20120 report I'll start with the fire um we added some additional fire service fire station service areas and this is prominently up North this is with the new development Northstar Ranch Terra valis that's what those service areas represent um we did add a fires uh facilities component that is different than a fire stations this is p primarily a resource uh facility for the fire department um in streets we did add a new service area for the RightWay um this is in north of Glendale Avenue it's a 50% reduction of the impact fee for right away um we also did add a arterial component this is south of it 10 and then west or east of sr85 so it's in a rectangular area there on water and wastewater these are some of the more dramatic changes that we made in our report this this year this time um previously we did charge up to 1 and 1/2 in meter in the previous report though we went all the way up to a 6 in meter so anything above an inch and a half now has been eliminated so but it has been replaced with basically the charge per meter has been replaced sorry with the water study or engineering standards so um for non-residential they're going to have to be required to either follow our engineering standards which you'll see the results here and the the impact on that is very large it's large increases or they can provide us with a water report um hopefully when we come back for the public hearing for the fees we can have some actual examples of somewhat water reports that were submitted and we can show you what maybe the actual impact um fee calculation would be on some of those larger facilities um for multif family and single family we did lower the average daily consumption from 113 gallons to 94 gallons per person on the water which is about a 177% reduction and then on the Wastewater flows we actually lowered it from 80 gallons to 54 gallons which is about a 32% reduction in the fees calculation uh Parks and Recreation Citywide we did remove the regional park land fee the pool fee and Regional Trails on the North side we removed a Community Land Park land fee but we did add a park amenities fee um through the discussions one of the changes that we did make was that we took the North Park of enity fees and spread it over 15 years instead of 10 years so that lowered the cost um for the impact fee calculation now the one item that's left is in the amenities fees for the South um right now in our in the report we have a million dollars per acre for 30 Acres so it's $30 million this is a one area probably over the 13 months of discussions we had with the with the stakeholder group this is the one where that was still a lot of question questions or concerns and you'll hear tonight from Mr Ashley as it relates to this um we met internally we talked about the fee met with the parks Rec Miranda and Bob and we really felt that based on our current cost for Sundance Park a million dollars is very reasonable cost we looked at surprise um cost around 850 give or take and then with the kind of inflation fact Factor we feel that it's really close to this million dollars we looked called Gilbert you know we looking at the cost they're actually over a million dollars now in their impact fee report they're under $800,000 or around 800,000 currently they're charging over a million 1.5 million for acre so we do feel very reason that this is a reasonable fee um I know there's still some questions or or comments related to this but um I can wait for reply to Mr Ashley's comments when he speaks to councel um but here are some of the minor changes that we made to the report um we condensed the service area for water Wastewater previously I went all the way out to the Eastern boundaries of the city we just know within the next 10 years that's one area that we will not be developing or will not be in included in this impact feed study so and then it stops I think that stops around Turner Road so then going west we have nothing currently planned in in our impact fee report so here's a fee comparison um you can see Phoenix is still ahead of us which is good but it is a draft so they're just starting the process so their numbers could potentially come down come down um Gilbert is is finalized so they are definitely in the $35,000 range for single family Poria they're slightly ahead of us so they should probably be adopting their fees here shortly so at this point I've not heard of any changes so we're right between um the to Poria West and Poria North prise was approved last year paty Junction was done in 2022 so they'll actually be start starting their impact fee report here shortly so within the next year or two their numbers could be increasing also multif family may the these are some of the examples of our comparison with other cities so right now you can see por or Phoenix is still ahead of us pretty dramatically then becomes Central again if you look at the comparison between what we're proposing now and how it was proposed previously or what we're currently paying it was really a change in in how we calculate our water and wastewater usage before it was based on meter size now it's based on actual gallons per unit we we really think that this is a more accurate refle reflection excuse me of what our actual Water and Wastewater demands are going to be on on our system so we we realize there is a large increase but we also think the calculation is a lot more appropriate here is um commercial it's 123,000 foot facility again we can see the difference where are currently fifth in comparison with the other some of the other cities um again this is based on our this is probably going to be the worst case scenario with the highest water demand they bring in their own water report this number could change dramatically so until we have some actual examples we really won't know what the difference will actually be industrial um extremely large this one is based on 33 Acres so it's again we're using our engine engineering standards which takes into consideration the lot size so this number is is extremely high so we do believe that this number will come down dramatically once we actually get a report that's submitted by the the project and then office space they're all calculated all res non- residentials are all calculated exactly the same so here's our current timeline you can see the adoption of land use assumption and the infrastructure Improvement plan is tonight um tomorrow we're going to advertise the notice of intent and public hearing for the development fees which will be January 7th and then the adoption of the fees will be February 18th with an effective date at the earliest we can do it make the fees go into effect is May 5th so staff does recommend Council take action and adopt resolution 7724 and then with that mayor I'll answer any questions okay thank you Mr Copy um let's uh let's start with uh well let's open the public hearing then um Mr Mr Mayor public there is no public hearing I'm sorry yeah let's go to comments then um thanks for keeping me honest Mr attorney uh the um comments from the public first is uh James Ashley from the Home Builders Association of central Arizona thank you very much mayor members of the council James Ashley with the Home Builders Association central Arizona I had the pleasure of speaking at the October 15th hearing I want to reiterate my comments that evening of our positive experience working with the city working with the city on many issues covering a significant number of topics including and significantly assigned from the impact fee process as well in October 15th I noted that of the progress that had been made on the impact fee proposal there was one remaining item that was still of concern that's still an unresolved item that now leads us to oppose the impact fee proposal and this is the park amenity cost of a million dollar per acre in September the city referenced and provided an itemized list of Park amenity cost assumptions from neighboring cities similar to bucke referencing a list of Park amenity cost from other jurisdictions we compared what other jurisdictions were quoting this year for Park amenities with site work including earthw work Hardscape electrical and Landscaping and not including any necess AR land purchase Chandler came in at $615,000 per acre the city of Maricopa at $548,000 Goodyear came in at $662,000 per acre and that was an average of their two service areas and surprise as was noted came in at $824,000 Phoenix originally came in at $800,000 per acre and is now at $565,000 per acre and is based on recent parks that were constructed and also adjusted for inflation using the engineering News Record building cost index for January 2028 and our members our Builders they evaluated Phoenix's original $800,000 amount and found it on the highend but just within the ballpark of what our members had built with desirable Park amenities in their communities Gilbert came in at $824,000 per acre and although they have stated that they will use some non-impact fee resources for an higher amount Gilbert is also paying on debt which was included in the impact fee amount driving the cost up Buy's reference not being sure how all the funds will be spent one way to alleviate that challenge is to collect a little bit less the city September development impact fee summary for State fiscal year 2024 shows the parks impact fee ending balance at 7, 42395 the second highest balance of any City category mod ating Buckeyes per acre cost to be more in line with even the the higher tier of other jurisdictions would reduce the north service area fee for a new single family home by $272 and in the South service fee area by about $51 and a more modest adjustment would also lower the amount this is a two-step process and this is the second half of the first step this evening and we we still realize that there is still time for proper adjustments to be made to mitigate and moderate these fees thank you very much for your time there thank you sir uh so Mr Copy just uh start off with a question in related to what uh Mr Ashley was talking about the the I think difference of opinion between staff and the home builder Association of central Arizona is uh the cost per acre that we have set at $1 million and where do we come up with that that cost I came from a couple different areas one is primarily the Sundance Park we looked at that cost what we that was just a couple years ago so that's really was kind of one of the foundations of looking at to arrive at this million dollars there's some other areas that we've did did some research um lost Trails there's some other ones that were right around a million dollars per acre so there's within the city we found a couple examples current costs were right around a million dollars maybe even a little bit higher than a million the report was already set at a million so we felt very comfortable that it was a reasonable price and that that difference we're talking about I I think in the entire um I'm trying to go back and remember we were at a$ 35ish Thousand um per unit we at 354 354 and we've come down to 258 258 and the the contention the reason the home builders are not uh in favor of the entire program is because this will add now it's a it's a million dollars per acre of the park but it'll add 200 and how many dollars per it's going to be the four to 500 our B um with tler B he came up with around $450 it's been a $400 to $500 range is what it would go down by um I guess on the other side of that you know it's about a $5 million $5.5 million hit that we would have to come up with somewhere else that would have to fund this through basically the general fund you know if the cost is a million that's what we're paying we getting $800,000 per acre that difference is going to have to be made somewhere and that would come from the general fund or build a lesser park or build lesser amenities amenities y okay um okay got it I appreciate that uh Council any questions on item uh 6D I have a question can you go forward one slide explain to me quickly about the reduction in this in this yeah so for the Water waste water yeah we don't have any and Terry is probably to be the one that would answer this a lot better but you know for our planned growth areas anything outside going to the east is outside of that growth or water Wastewater infrastructure but right now for the impact fee calculations we're only Within for the water that salmon color and then basically on waste water there's the Sundance part and then you have the central that light green color the idea is that we're only we're only going to build or expand the facilities within those colored areas shed areas okay thank you and then the other question I have on that um really more of a comment then a question when we start talking about the parks uh impact fee um it has been my experience in the past eight years being on Council that when a developer struggles with making a project pencil out the very first thing that gets checked off the box is the amenities for parks and stuff like that so the fact that we're going in there and making sure we have the appropriate fees for the city to get in to go in and back fill those things is uh wise on our behalf for the future of Buckeye and just not the growth cycle of Buckeye thank you thank you councilman Yer can I just piggy back off of one of his questions the the maps that you have up here did not necessarily mean that we're not going to grow in that area it just means that we're not collecting impact fees for infrastructure so um the the process for building then becomes more of an exaction that the developer pays for the infrastructure that's necessary that's correct okay all right thank you and good question councilman Yer any other questions from Council yeah one question Mr Mayor um this is probably for Miss Gomez I think again related to the parks and impact fees I think um we had a workshop sometime back about our Parks inventory and I there was ratio in there that um a unit of Park per population I think I'm getting that right but I think I remember that we are woefully underbuilt as far as parks and amenities across the city that vice mayor May uh members of council that's correct so our we're in the middle of actually kind of in the final stages of updating our master plan right now and the established level of service that Council um adopted for baky back in 2016 was 8 acres per thousand and that's kind of that's a pretty typical ratio and what council decided to do at that point was to assign four of those to be public and four of those to be private so right now um the city I'm going to look back to Bob to nod at me but I think we're coming in at is it 0 2.

five is it five it's I think it's 0.

five acres per thousand residents is what we're at right now so drastically below um this the level of service that we've set so this this impact fee um while it's higher than our our neighbors um will help us catch up in that regard cor okay thank you very much I'm sorry can I can I correct myself I don't know that it'll help us catch up I think that it will help us keep Pace as we grow so not necessarily it's not looking to close the gap it's looking to as we grow um maintain our level of service great thank you very much okay I'll just start right there with question first one is that so the level of service what this impu correct look clarify question it doesn't impacts of this only devel correct than question yes sir follow on that just only applies and treat not um and then who so at the time a permit permit is pulled would know who pulls a permit that's when the impact fees will be paid okay so this isn't something that they that a developer would um put a uh you know like within C cfd there's a charge to the home and and it's paid over time uh on each on each house like 3500 bucks or something per house for the next 20 years or something we're not talking about something like that this is paid at the time of pulling the permit by the developer or whoever is pulling the permit okay and then presumably it's a onetime fee right and then presumably they may add that to the price of the house or whatever they're building but but it's not something that's going to live on like that or be a separate charge to the okay thank you that's all I have thank you um Council M will you ask your first question though um again your mic wasn't on I want to make sure anybody that is tuning in on YouTube catches that first question that you asked about this not being charged to existing homes you want Miranda to come back up here I I I think um I'll just ask you um so my question was um you know if somebody's tuning in on YouTube right now and see that we're raising raising impact fees um they don't have to worry about that because it only applies to new developments it's paid by developers and it's not a charge on existing uh taxpayers correct okay thank you is that what you looking for yeah appreciate that and and just to picky back up one of his questions uh council member AG questions uh may not necessarily be a new service within a development but some of the fees we're talking about with for instance Park fees we'd be collecting fees for a park that may be a service to a development adjacent to or up in the region a regional park type type amend is is that a correct statement okay which what you know in essence the folks that have already moved in paid into uh a park impact fee uh we're already collecting on that and I think that's perhaps what some of what Mr Ashley's getting at um now you have new residents that are coming in and that same development or an adjacent development and they're going to be paying into an impact fee that is increased or or uh gone from whatever it was to what it is now paying for those amenities that'll be built up in an area that that would benefit both the Old and the new folks the any of the infrastructure amenities have to be just growth related so if if it's existing we can't use this money to pay for existing facilities and existing park it has to be a growth related expenditure or infrastructure yeah yeah yeah yeah please so on this 800,000 on this 800,000 number that uh Mr Ashley was using um that's Apples to Apples with our million it seemed like he explained it a little bit different like the it was exclusive of land are we are we Apples to Apples on our million do we're not including land either okay so it is an apples and apples comparison and and the piggyback on that one is um is it true that we will have another chance to revisit that number yes so at the at the public hearing for the fees uh adoption of the fees um that will be the next opportunity in January 7th we could make the change the report sets the fees in place any changes after tonight would be reflected as a credit on that future report so you we could change it but then by making that change basically will the general fund will have to then supplement those changes are the that reduction in the fees if we're right about the million yeah okay but if he's right that it's going to be 800 and we only change it to and we say some sometime between now and that hearing we say yeah we think 800 is more realistic that how does that how does that well I just wanted to add is that right now we're looking at a million dollars today today's dollars where there is no inflation Factor built into this number so this is a fee that will be in place for a minimum of five years and then after you know for potentially up to 10 years so you know we're not looking at you next year if inflation is 5% it's we're not adding any additional money to this so we're going to have to absorb any inflationary uh effect on these infrastructure or amenities through you know either General funds supporting it through that factor or basically we just have less amenities that we can add inflation okay all right well then that leads me to one last question then and and that is that we are talking are we talking about the same level of service for a million 800,000 have we looked at that do we do we know if we're comp comparing Apples to Apples there well I mean from our perspective it's it's not it's less the $800,000 would buy less less level of service right reduced level of service from our perspective thank you okay thank you council member uh coun see you had nothing and then we kept talking over here and then you came up I I cannot resist on my passion for speaking to this item and really encourageing the council to not reduce that amount and I always like to get things just down to Basics I mean we're a city of what now 120,000 or whatever we have one swimming pool we basically have two parks that you can go to to enroll your child in a soccer game or a Little League field we are not building extravagant facilities for very few people we need these fees because it's our residents who are are going to be calling us saying why don't I have availability and it's like we're trying to buy the land up north now which it we are finding is going to be an astronomical amount and then we're going to have to put amenities on that uh those part facilities so that six or S million isn't just sitting around uh doing nothing there's plans for that so I highly encourage we keep this at what I consider a reasonable amount thank you council member um can I have you go back to one of the first comparison graphs that you had up there so in um in this graph specifically take Glendale West for instance does does that include uh water or waste water I believe it does I would have to get the breakdown of our spreadsheet I don't have that I do believe it is I'm I don't think it does and I'm not trying to to clip you on it I it's difficult to compare us with other folks and what I'm thinking in Glendale West is that is an area West that's served by epcore right uh so there is no water and wastewater fees in this area I think and it's difficult to make a just a straight up comparison because every one of these um impact fees is carved up differently and there's different things that are added in there are communities that are that are much much more built out than we are and so an impact fee to them is an extension of a a water line or a sewer line and maybe a small expansion of a a treatment plant uh but it's difficult to compare what other municipalities have with uh where we're at on this graph right here which is a a very young very rapidly growing uh Community yeah my focus has always been is larger than us and then the ones slightly behind us and as we gone further back we've kind of lost a little bit of Interest as to how those were being calculated right but I can double check and confirm which ones to compare apples to apples I can figure out really quickly which which ones have make sure all of them are the same the next time if we present this I'll make sure they're all apples of apples that that would be helpful and and it I think it would kind of help tell the story of I I think we would see some of those fall off at the the very very low end and there would be a a an a a tighter uh difference between all of the communities that are that are rapid growing and even this if you take out the the Poria West to the left while we are the higher there's not as big a difference between us and and the other municipalities okay okay great thank you I appreciate the uh the conversation on this Council item 6D uh what is your pleasure Mr Mayor I excuse me Mr Mayor I move that we approve item 60 second okay I have a motion for approval by vice mayor Goodman second by council member hes would you please vote on your vote pad and all in favor say I I I and opposed and 60 passes unanimous thank you all thank you James for the comments too okay 6E Council to take action on the Professional Services agreement PSA contract number 20241 35 between the city of Bucky and Arizona Municipal Corporation and Allied Waste Transportation Inc at Delaware Corporation doing business as Republic Services of Phoenix for solid waste collection services and authorized city manager to execute and deliver said PSA on behalf of the city of Buckey uh you're not Brett hotney it says Brett hot and I look up and how are you I'm doing great thank you good evening mayor and Council I am Amy Murray I the deputy Public Works director and tonight we are here to disc discuss the residential salad waste contract so tonight's action is for Council to approve the new Solid Waste contract there will also be a brief discussion regarding rates you will see some rate information tonight however we are not voting on proposed rate increases this evening only the solid waste contract the city of Buckeye has had privatized Solid Waste contract with Republic Services for the last 11 years years the current Solid Waste contract expires on November 30th the city held a competitive process for a new Solid Waste contract the contract you are voting on tonight is a seven-year contract with a potential of three one-year extensions for city code we received three proposals we had a Review Committee recommend one of the companies we received proposals from and they have recommended that we move forward with Republic Public Services based on conversations with mayor and counsel a year ago the new contract looked for opportunities to provide efficient services to Residents this contract is in line with your shared thoughts residents needs and Trends in the industry that provided us with an opportunity to become more efficient we will be moving to same day service whereas under the current contract trash has picked up one day with recycling picked up another day during the week so this improved efficiency allows Solid Waste to be picked up on the same day another opportunity that we have is to improve our bulky trash collection currently the schedule is we advise the resident one week each quarter of the year when we will be by to pick up their boy waste however with this new contract residents will be able to schedule their baky pickup which better benefit their needs in our expiring contract Republic had the option uh to recycle based on market demand however we are bringing recycling back another opportunity that we also have is with our cart program and currently with our cart program the maintenance of the carts is handled by two city employees and with this new contract those positions will be eliminated however these two employees have been absorbed into other departments so they will not be losing pay or benefits and this program will then move to Republic Services to complete another exciting opportunity we have with this new CR contract is a business Synergy option so in our expiring um I'm sorry excuse me we also have two businesses blue polymers and rarig Pacific Blue polymers will accept Buckey plastic recycling they will process that for raring Pacific to use in their business operations and part of this opportunity involves the plastic recycling and processing where very pafic will use those materials from Blue polymers to create our 96 gallon trash cards so we're very excited about this opportunity so as we move to the next slide I would like to briefly discuss finances so currently what you see here is a graph and this is simply a strategy for us to meet meet the financial policy where all City funds are required to have a 60-day reserve currently we are not meeting that requirement with our Solid Waste Enterprise fund but we have a proposed plan to get there within this contract so as you're looking at this graph Orange Line represents the funding that we need to meet the required Reserve goal we will discuss fees later on this year but the bottom line is our in blue is our current fund balance with our current contract our yellow line is our projected reserves under the new contract you will notice there is a dip at the start of the new contract due to expenses increasing in the revenue not meeting the reserve fund but as I stated we will have a strategy to get the reserves up to where they need to be throughout this contract so this next slide will show you a suggested rate strategy so this scenario rate schedule reflects the amount charged to Residents over the course of the seven-year contract these rates allow the solid waste Enterprise fund to become balanced and not require General funds to absorb revenue losses if these rates are approved residents will see an increase in February then an annual 4% increase each December now I would like to mention that these rates have two components one is is the Republic Services cost and approximately another $4 cost to cover administrative fees for the city to manage this contract I would also like to mention the inground service container is for festival residents that have inground cans we will come back to council later this year to further discuss rates but tonight we wanted to provide a quick overview of a proposed schedule to meet our reserve requirement another question we're asked frequently is how do we stack up against neighboring cities and even with the proposed rate increases which is reflected by the yellow line we remain in the lower half of the graph we are in pretty good standing compared to other cities in the valley so the next steps we coming to council tonight to approve the contract but I also want wanted to make NE mention of the public notification of the rate change and our timeline for that notice as part of this process we have already posted the maximum proposed rates on the city's website in December we will have a notice of intent that will be posted we will come back to Council in January with a resolution and should that be approved it will be effective on February 6th I would also like to mention that in addition to the schedule various City departments are working with Public Works to ensure that we provide ample communication to the community whether it is through print media digital media or social media so after the resolution becomes effective in February then finance will work to begin the inflation implementation of the new rate structure so with that mayor and councel I would like to thank you for your time we welcome your thoughts and comments and tonight we are asking you to approve the Professional Services agreement between the city of Buckeye and Allied Waste Transportation Inc doing business as Republic Services or contract number 135 thank you okay thank you Amy uh we'll go to council for questions have uh council member guy can you go over the bulk trash uh again yes um how many times will residents be able to call call in will they call in through the city will they be calling Republic directly um they they will work with Republic directly and residents will continue to have pickup available to them four times a year okay so each resident can call in four times a year and they'll keep track of that somewhere right and will it be through the city or through Republic through Republic uh council member H I know we're not talking about rat tonight but when was the last time that the city raised uh these rates excuse me 2023 2023 we well the actual rates were no here come on Robert voner environmental operations manager Public Works um the rates were um approved in 20 2019 2020 or the we had a three-year extension and that was the last time the race came okay and council member guy you have one more um it says if we if we improve the contract we're not approving a rate increase but how will we pay for the contract if there isn't a rate a rate increase okay we are coming back to council with a proposed rate increase to meet our Revenue requirements before the end of the year okay if those rates are not approved then the general fund will subsidize the difference if this contract yeah yeah okay put your microphone on though we're going to get you a a bell or I have my helper right here it um so I wanted to talk so we're basically doing both tonight whether we like it or not because if we accept this contract the rates are going to have to go up we're going to have to fund fund it through the general fund right cor okay so my understanding is is that we have had a rate freeze for a couple of years already is that correct cor right so for at least two years we have not raised rates on on the residents correct okay if if uh if the average increase over the last few years in other cities was about 5% four 5% are we basically in line if we if we adopt the if we adopt this contract and and increase the rates that we think we'll need to increase them to so that we can cover the new contract will are we in um does that match in other words are we basically on the same track had we have raised rates in the last two years yes okay so it's not it's not that we are um it's not a big increase it's just we saved an in we we froze it for two years and now we're just going to where the rates would have been had we kept the increase is that a yes yes thank you um and then on the communication to the residents is um so the so right now do you know the only communication we've done to the residents is is through the the city's website or have we done digital have we put anything in the in the invoices to the to the residents so that they they know something's coming we are working on that currently right now the only media that we have used is the city's website after this contract is approved tonight then we will move forward with working with marketing and Utility Billing so our plan is to have a utility billing insert we're also looking at door hangers or cart tags so those will be your printed Medias along with brochures and things of that nature that we will use at community outreach events and then we also will use eblasts email services that the city uses the various um eblast mechanisms that various departments use to get the word out to the citizens and then also through our social media channel a okay um one of the things I noticed that one of the one of the dates that we I guess when we put it on the website was around November 6th right um I would like to encourage us as a city from now on to get you know if we're if we're talking about raising rates and having having issues like this I would I would encourage us to get that out there soon as soon as you know soon as we know about it um even even if it's before that you know whatever whatever trigger is making that November 6th the date um soon as we know I'd like us to get something out there on the website or not on the website but um because I don't consider a notice on a website to be um notice to a resident because I don't think out of the 125,000 people in this city I don't I never go to the website to see if my rates are going to go up on my trash um so I would just say you know let's get it out there in the social Medias and those kind of things as soon as we're even contemplating those types of things just so that people don't think we're trying to run the clock out on them and one one one last question for for you would be um it's quite a bit more for the inground service and Festival can you explain why so that everybody who um looks at this and says well they're already being charged you $78 more per uh household for the INR service and I think it's going to going to jump about 10 bucks um I don't know if that's going to be staged in or if it's going to go exactly to 10 bucks like that immediately but can you explain why it's so much what the issues involved are and um why we were getting such a higher rate from Republic on those Services yes thank you to provide the pickup for the INR containers it is very labor intensive and we have a truck and several laborers that that drive each street that has the inground containers and the gentlemen pick up the trash out of each container and haul it to the truck it's very labor intensive it's not automated at all okay and we're not asking the residents to give that up we're just saying uh our costs for doing that have gone up and this is the best this is the best bid that we got yes it is okay and I'm sorry I said one more but that's that's a that's what lawyers do no no famous famous lasts word of a lawyers I got one more question but um I I wanted to talk about this uh same day service yes so you the residents are going to put both their 96 gallon cans on the street on the same day right did we consider whether or not that that really can happen in in an actual real world it there's there's not a lot of room on the on the streets with cars parked out front and all those kinds of things with one can but you got to put two cans out there and then bring two cans in on the same day I I I just I worry about the realities of that one but I'll we'll we'll have to see how it goes and we may have to put it out for bid again in seven years huh okay that is actually a trend in the valley same day service so we will be in line with the with the trends and several residents have have expressed interest in having same day service for both 9 6 gallon cans yes okay we'll see how it goes counc bold move cotton bold move cotton uh council member do do all the areas in Festival have in ground cans it's just the uh the act of adult adults yep okay thank you very much thank you questions any other questions okay uh your attorney has asked all the questions yes old move cotton um I just uh to to reiterate this was an open bid sent out and so a for instance is uh we had opened up the opportunity for others to come in and bid on the inground service um as well as the 96 uh gallon the the collection of the the trash from the 96 gallon so complete open bid and and our current um contractor is who came in low on all of it yes that is correct mayor okay Mr Mayor I'd add to that ju Just just because we were looking for the best value we teased out the inground piece and allowed folks to bid that separately and not be required to do that just to see if we could come up with some better numbers and Republic Allied yeah I think that's really important to say too and because there are other areas the sun cities for instance have the inground service and there's a potential of bringing that specific contractor out to to do uh just festival for us and uh either no taker or they weren't the low bit on on the process okay all right uh that's great uh I don't think I have any other uh questions just I want to make a comment um we went into the process and um uh and it's an open bid and you don't know exactly what you're going to get and um could not be more happy that we are sticking with with Republic Services for this I I I think staff feels the same way they're at least nodding here at this council meeting saying that uh but Alberto and Melissa you guys are outstanding uh corporate partners for us and we appreciate how you engage in our community not only picking up the trash managing the landfill a completely separate tasks um but engaging in the events that we have going on and participating and and other things being there to help there are issues um and and uh providing outstanding customer service for for our community so thank you thank you for getting low and uh and thank you for uh continuing to be our our contractor uh for solid waste here uh Amy great job this is your first time presenting to us right yes it is okay fantastic job Council item six e what is your pleasure make a motion we approve item 6 e second have a motion uh to approve item 6E by council member hes second by vice mayor Goodman all in favor say I and vote I I and opposed and passes unanimous thank you thank you okay uh let's see item 6f Council take action resolution number 7824 establishing a policy and process for reviewing and adjusting city council salary stens and allowances Mr Doug good evening mayor and members of the council um I am here tonight to present to you resolution 7824 which would establish a process for staff to annually review Council and mayor salaries and stips in a uh in a system which would not require any kind of further review and is designed to make sure that Council pay stays current with what council pay is throughout the valley the last time the city council and mayor's pay was modified was in 2005 at which time the mayor's pay was set at $21,000 and the council's pay at 144,000 annually um so it's been nearly 20 years since the last time we had a modification in the salaries uh what we are proposing through this resolution is establishment of a system where on an annual basis we will go out look at all the comparable Valley Cities comparable Valley cities are all those cities in the Phoenix Metro area with a population greater than 90,000 that do not have a full-time mayor in Council which basically excludes the City of Phoenix but keeps all the other large cities in the valley we'll look at what their Council and mayor pay are take the average of those and then apply that to our council with either giving the average of all those cities for the pay adjusting it by a cost of living increase or leaving it exactly as is whichever of those three options is the greatest the intent is that this December we will go out and do that evaluation and then Implement whatever that modification is in the month of January we will then do that review again in December of 2025 and from that point forward it'll fall right in line with the annual budget process with increases being built into the budget this will ensure that or Council pay stays as it is a system's in place and it will remove the baron Council from having to deal with such a sensitive topic at any point in the future and with that I will open it up to any questions okay any questions from Council I do have a small question um within this process we have uh I want to make sure if in the future if a 2008 situation happens again with a future councils have the ability to then pull that number back out of our salaries and make it more cash available for for staff salaries if needed be yes Council will always have the discretion to stop whatever process is and then not Implement any kind of increases I just don't want to hamstring future councils from doing what they have to do thank you thank you council member council member H uh Mr chanom what's the current process well the current process is Council would bring up a proposal and bring it to council and do a review at that point there is no process in place the last time the pay was increased was in 2005 and did we compare this to how the other cities do it I know we used a model City to find this one um is there a lot of different ways that other city councils do it or other cities do it or there are a lot of different ways that it's done um anybody the uh election that just happened the City of Phoenix by Charter has to go out to a vote of the residents so they went out to a vote to get theirs increased um Poria and goodar both have Charters as well that require any increases over a certain percentage would have to go out to a vote of the people um some cities have a Citizens committee that makes recommendations including those that would have to recommend going out to a vote of the people and others just said it um internally so it is a wide range of what is done out there and so you picked one to model it after uh was there a reason that this one was done versus the other five or six you mentioned we we pick this methodology because it it kind of mirrors what we do with our own employees we go out and look at um the comparable cities that we're going to be talking about here was 90,000 and above are the same cities that we look at to compare for our own employees what the competition is what the market is um and so it follows that kind of same train of thought with that except for this isn't the same kind of position just wanted to state that okay counc okay is there I would hate to think that Council would ever get a larger increase than we would give our employees so is there some way to you know I mean if one year we're we can only give our employees a 2% Merit I would hate to think that we would take more than a 2% increase if there was a question there I think um I yes I could rephrase it as a question it would be possible that you would end up with an increase greater than what um employees would be um especially in the very first year because of the fact that salaries have not been adjusting since 2005 um it's just like when the city does salary and surveys for our employees there's a lot of times there's that initial bump up and then an increase after that um typically speaking I would not foresee that kind of change on an ongoing basis where you would get that more often or higher amount than what uh employees get just because of the conservative nature of it when it comes to councils and how they give raises good all right and any other questions uh I think you mentioned it's always a sensitive I'm gonna I'm going to disagree with you there hadn't been adjustments um and then we'll go to the sensitive part of it um it's a good thing that councilman hustus is not here because as he and I were coming into uh a council back in 2009 time frame we were in some very difficult economic circumstances in the city and we were cutting employee pay 51 and 15% and the meeting before uh we took our seats it was voted on by the council previous who were on their way out that they were going to give us a 15% pay cut uh and that's where that stayed U I'm not bitter he is I just want to bring that up um but it it is always a sensitive issue and uh and those increases we were talking about well potentially could be a a higher percentage I don't think I don't expect that there would be a lot of percentage increases in uh it's a an actual dollar value much less than uh once we're adjusted to to the the average um across the valley uh and it's always sensitive to bring that up because every time you do um the public gets pretty amped up about uh they're giving themselves a raise again and I mean you can see that at either our level or the state level or or federal level um so it's a difficult uh topic and for the entire uh now 14 years that I've been serving on either Council or as mayor that's not something that you raise your hand and and come forward with so I appreciate this being brought up not by council members but by staff to keep us um in the in the running and competitive when it comes to uh council member and mayor sales uh and and I think you had said it out loud there it's 21 ,000 or 14,000 depending on on what position you're serving in so um it's not um this is not uh we're not crushing it up here financially uh as elected officials uh and what we do want to see moving forward is being um on par with other cities so that we are attracting uh folks that would be interested in and doing the job while it's mostly volunteer uh you don't want to be at the very bottom of the the barrel and you want to be attracted people to the the position and make sure that um that that they have a not only a reason to serve but a some compensation for all the time that uh that folks are putting in elected officials are putting in uh so I appreciate this being brought up and I just wanted to make those comments before uh we go to a a motion on item 6f there's no no other questions on this uh 6f Council what is your pleasure nobody wants to pull the TR right that's why it's so sensitive um Mr Mayor I move we approve item 6f okay I have a motion for approval on item 6f by uh vice mayor Goodman second by council member Yonker uh all in favor say I and vote on your machine I I and uh those opposed nay and votes are in it's unanimous thank you Council can we revisit the compensation by chickens with the price of yeah yeah smoked chickens item number seven comments from mayor and councel um any comments tonight from vice mayor yeah I just want to take this opportunity um the two colleagues to my left um Janine guy and Michelle H um this is their last business meeting as council members I know it's it's bittersweet um but I know the newest member of council until the new Council was seated um when I was thinking about um stepping forward and applying the first person I reached out to was Michelle we've known her for a long time and um advised me that I should do it and I think within 30 seconds it sent me the application and help me fill it out but I just want to thank you for your friendship and mentorship over the years and and for all your service to Buckeye and with Janine it's uh the sister I never had on Council so was also one that that I leaned on pretty heavily um has really appreciated her advice and Counsel on lots of things and just want to say you'll both be missed and thank you for your service to Buckey I would like to say this to to the both of you is is I hear all the time about how this council is so uh friendly and collegial and professional up here and I I think um since the day I got on this Council um way too long to think about but I have looked at both of you for the professionalism and how you treat how you treat each other and and the rest of us as a is something to emulate uh every time I get up here sometimes I fail but but that's what I look for thank you both for serving and I app and I wish you both luck and wherever you end up yeah I would like to Echo all of that as well um you guys both came alongside me when I first got into Council and help me learn the ropes and know what to do and what not to do uh I will miss you both and I will miss the jinny leaning over right before I get to make a comment and going Tony don't cuss or the or the Michelle was sitting down and strategizing how to look for how to look at different things and uh giving an opinion that I didn't necessarily see the angle of before so you guys will be very much miss you have anything to say yeah yeah love to oh boy yeah let me let me let me let you all go last um uh and I'll I'll just do one uh comment and then uh I'll I'll Echo the same as my colleagues uh we had an awesome opportunity with the 492nd Civil Affairs Battalion uh they are the Army reserve unit that is at the very North End of Miller Road uh they are starting a yearly tradition they did this for the first time last year and I got to walk with them that year this this year did exactly the same where you meet them up at their unit in the morning uh 6:30 a.m.

and uh did a 6.1 mile ruck march with 100 plus of um these Army reservist from all over the country who come to train here on the weekend and They Carried food in their um Ruck sacks all the way down to the uh Food Bank all Faith food bank and put that food in the bins down there and They Carried 1,500 pounds worth of food uh from their location all the way down and they got such an awesome opportunity one to get to know our neighbors up there uh most of us I bet there's a fair amount of us in this room that have no idea there is an Army reserve unit up there they just quietly go about their business uh and now we're getting to know them and build that relationship and um and look forward to more of that next year and want to do a special thank you to police and fire for um for helping managing traffic and it was us walking no kidding down Lanes on Miller Road from north of the freeway all the way through to Maricopa and then cutting through uh neighborhoods uh and police were there I I think it was kind of fun they got to speed out in front of us and lights on and sirens and everything else um and probably great practice for parades and that moving forward but um but an uh a great showing by our community great showing by police and it was awesome to have the opportunity with them um for for my colleagues uh there's a couple things that that I remember specifically Michelle I think I remember the very first day you were sitting in the lobby going up to talk to folks about the potential of running for Council and um uh so 12 years ago now uh unbelievable that uh it is it has been that long uh and you've been an outstanding servant to the city of Bucky and we are so grateful for you for the time that you've put in for all the stuff that we have gone through uh from um the growth the the the very professional and very amicable disagreements on some things that are coming in but um but what an opportunity to serve with you and growing one of the fastest cities in the United States um the people that that uh that we've been able to be around along the way the people that we've lost along the way uh and your uh connection and and ability to connect people and network folks in and provide leadership being a part of leadership West um helping to begin things like the youth the scitec festival readon uh and really engaging um the youth in our community and you have a real heart for that we really appreciate that uh and all the while um uh being a wonderful wife to mckeny and to being an awesome mom to your kids and it's so fun to watch them grow up and see uh what what great what great citizens are going to be here in the city of Buckey thank you for your service to Buckey council member guy you have yelled at me for now eight years I was uh thinking earlier on uh today I think the first time that we met I was still working uh with DMB at verado and I'd come to a public meeting where you were talking about uh the White Tanks and the heila river and Open Spaces I think it was a master plan uh meeting and you just lit up talking about the open space and the opportunities that were out ahead of us and keeping our mind even back then wasn't anywhere near an elected official position uh but even back then being um so devoted to the community you've spent basically your entire life here 80 plus years of of uh of being in the community it's probably not that long but uh but um uh but serving the city of Buckeye from a community services department Parks Library uh a a city manager here uh building this place being a part of all the growth that has gone on and you were out and you didn't have to put up with this anymore and you jumped right back in to become a council member and um and brought the um uh the tribal knowledge along of the things that had happened before with a a a great understanding of that and a real uh look toward the future and the growth that's coming our way it's been an absolute pleasure to serve with you also I think you'll remember the great times that we had oneon-one in front of rcks and lawn chairs I know that was one of your favorite lunch meetings that that we ever did um I'll never forget you shouting uh um map uh suggestions to Jerry as we're driving around Lakeland Florida and um Jerry's her husband some of the the best experiences I've had uh but for both of you so so grateful for the um the opportunity to serve with you U absolute pros and uh and thankful to have that opportunity thank you um first this has I mean I've seen many councils many weird councils and it has been such a pleasure to be Associated and uh serve with you I think of any school board I've been on or even when I was on the westm board the collegiality the willingness to listen to others positions even if we desperately disagree about something we get off the DI and we begin our next work so it has just been sincere pleasure to work with all of you I'm not really emotional I don't know my voice shakes when I'm talking but I certainly want to thank Dan um Scott uh leadership team we are always prepared if there is any material that we need all we have to do is ask and it's at our fingertips and so far I have never been blindsided since I've been on the council and that is a really good thing when we're up here so I appreciate that and I think that we have the absolute best directors we just have a group of Stellar directors in every field and I want you to know how comforting that is as Council as we're up here giving direction I I just feel so comfortable that it's being carried out that the the culture the processes that we want to happen are actually happening and then I just want to thank the city employees and hopefully they're all in bed or doing something fun and are not listening to Council meetings so I would wish that your that you will please take back my appreciation you know what the average citizen doesn't care that there's a teralis and a Howard Hughes Corporation going up they don't care you know they want their potholes fixed they want their rways to look nice they want police and fire there when they need them they want to get be able to get a permit for a swimming pool or a addon to their garage those are the things that are important to them in their day-to-day lives and it's our Frontline employees that do them do that every day I I always think in my mind I call him the mark biano unsung heroes Mark is one of my favorite employees and and they're just out there killing it every day there are Frontline customers service it's you know our people that answer the phone in water building or trash or whatever that make this city what it is so I have a deep deep appreciation for them and their service thank you I don't know why I didn't think we were doing this tonight but I didn't but so um it's been an incredible ride 13 years as finishing up and I I can remember taking a tour of uh all the community services facilities when I first came on and I just you know Adam and I and his family painting break rooms and just all the memories we really have grown up together as the city has grown up together and has been just an honor I really consider many of you family and so it was really easy to come to work it was really easy to serve because I was just doing life with all of you and with our residents and um as Janine mentioned we're in the best place with the best staff and this is the best time I think to go out is there's such confidence in my colleagues and in the staff that we have in place right now that we're going to be uh we're going to be fine and everything's going to be great and I'm so excited about the future and so proud of our past and um I'm going to continue we're both probably going to continue to cheer you on from um couch on Tuesday night instead of a peer on Tuesday nights um and I just I want to say thank you thank you to staff that was so patient with me uh in the beginning and uh and I love you all dearly and I will miss you and I just thank you thank you Council uh item number seven comments I'm sorry item number eight uh city manager report and some of your current events thank you mayor I I didn't have anything this evening but I would like to just uh join in the Love Fest if I may uh just on behalf of Staff uh just echoing all the comments there's not much left that hasn't been said but thank you for your service to the city of Buckey thank you for your leadership thank you for your supportive staff um it's not easy for for folks to come up in in this box and and address this Council and it could be quite intimidating even if you know your material so thank you for your professionalism and um your politeness and just we're going to miss you as been said and so we wish you well there's always a front row open here on Tuesday nights so so if the couch isn't appealing uh we'd love to have you here thank you mayor all right thank you item number nine proposal for future agenda items any from Council here in none item number 10 is adjournment with nothing else we are adjourned