Goodyear Recreation Campus Phase 2 Design Stalls on Water, Parking, and Community Room Trade-Offs; Staff Sent Back for Alternatives

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Vice Mayor Hampton, can you please confirm that you are present? Present. Let the record reflect that all members are present with Vice Mayor Hampton participating by phone. Is there any way you can turn that up just a little bit, please? Yeah, he came in a little weak on there. All right, with all that, um, let's see. Motion, let's see what we've got here. First item is the payment management. Go ahead, you're up. And please introduce yourself for the public.

U mayor, uh, before I turn it over to staff on this, uh, Keen Kudson, acting city manager for tonight, uh, here for Brian. But, uh, the item here before you, the first one here, uh, public works is going to be following up on some work they've been doing over the last year.

I know uh they had a presentation back around this time last year where they were talking about some of the needs from a pavement perspective and to make sure we take care of one of the most valuable assets we have infrastructure-wise in the city and I think the council's support of that and their direction on that have been very valuable and I think there's some good news to talk about tonight.

Um but I think the TE's team wants to share a little bit of good information there but also some of the information they share every year as what they're going to be paving this coming year. Okay. And uh so I'll turn it over to Sam and Brian. Thank you. Go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, Mayor. There you go. All right. Thank you, Keeny. And good evening, mayor and council.

Thank you so much for giving us this opportunity to be in front of you and talk about our favorite topic, the pavement. And tonight, we will present first of all introduce myself. I'm Sumit Moar. I'm the public works director. And joining me today is Brian Harwell, our street superintendent, also famous as the valley's pavement whisperer uh for the knowledge that he brings to the role. All right. Uh with that, tonight we will present to you the state of our streets.

As Keany said, one of our most visible and valuable assets in the city of Goodyear. And when new residents and visitors come to Goodyear, they realize something very quickly that this is a very special place. The city looks beautiful.

Our roads are of high quality and they look wellmaintained which they are and much credit for this really goes to council for your vision and support and also to the staff's execution and uh really efforts uh in a fiscally responsible manner to make sure that we maintain our assets properly.

uh a successful and comprehensive asset management program for streets is the one that utilizes a variety of pavement treatment types and applies the right treatment to the right street in the right condition. Uh with that I will hand over the mic to Brad. Good evening mayor and council. Tonight we will be sharing the results of our pavement condition index assessment commonly referred to as PCI.

We will also brief you on our FY27 pavement management projects, including several that are already underway. In addition, we will provide an update on the state of our bridge maintenance program and outline our FY27 bridge maintenance projects. And finally, Sam will introduce an exciting new collaboration opportunity between ASU, Valley Cities, and local contractors known as the Southwest Pavement Consortium.

Most of you will recall from previous presentations that the pavement condition index or PCI is a score of 1 to 100 that reflects an overall condition of a roadway. 100 representing a brand new surface and one representing essentially dirt. While we calculate PCI annually, we perform comprehensive physical assessments every two years for arterial streets and every four years for local streets.

These assessments use a high-tech road surface tester vehicle that captures continuous highresolution data and pavement cracking, rudding, and roughness. As you know, we completed a networkwide assessment as part of our FY26 program. I am pleased to report that we've seen significant improvement since our previous assessment. We classify our roads into five areas: residential arterial collector industrial, and rural.

Thanks to council's continued commitment to investing in our streets, our overall weighted PCI stands at 77, well within council's direction to maintain a network PCI between 76 and 78. Because of your ongoing support, Goodyear continues to rank among the top cities in the valley for providing residents with safe, highquality streets. Most notable in this chart is the steady increase in the city's PCI and that it has been relatively stable over the last seven years.

Thanks to the council support of this program and [clears throat] the city staff's hard work. In FY17, our overall PCI was 69 and as of this most recent assessment, our PCI is 77. Per council direction, we seek to maintain an average PCI between 76 and 78. For extra emphasis, these are average PCI numbers, which means that half of the roads are better than this and half are worse than this.

Maintaining the PCI in the range of 76 to 78 over the next 10 years will require an investment of somewhere around $8 million per year on an ongoing basis. Our current ongoing funding is 4.8 million, and we fund this program by supplementing it with one-time funds as and when available. Now, we don't expect the budget to get here overnight. We recognize the budget gap and we want to strategically get there over the next several years.

This program will be a part of the discussion during the upcoming budgeting process for where it makes sense in the FY28 and beyond. Most notable in this chart, in case you didn't hear that the first time, what you see here are three different replacement models. The green is what we want to see, while the steady drop of the red is what we want to avoid. This chart is an illustrative PCI life cycle model rather than measured data for specific roadway. It shows the key asset management concept.

Timely preservation produces relatively small condition improvements, but more importantly slows deterioration and pushes major rehabilitation or reconstruction farther into the future. The objective is not to wait until a road fails and then replace it. The objective is to intervene while the pavement is still in good or fair condition, repeatedly extending its useful life and delaying the much more expensive rehabilitation or reconstruction.

Now, we'll present this the list of payment management projects planned for this year under the approved FY27 budget. Thanks to the process improvements finance incorporated in the citywide budget presentation, many of the city's high dollar projects, including these street maintenance projects, have already received council pre-approval. So, tonight we are not asking you to reapprove anything you have already authorized.

Our goal is to simply provide a brief informational overview of what is included. [clears throat] First, we would like to thank council again for increasing our budget from 4.3 million in FY26 to 4.8 million in FY27. Combined with the approved one-time funding of $600,000, our FY27 payment management total is 5.4 million. With this funding, we will be completing pavement treatments on 56 lane miles of roadway. We will be utilizing several treatment types.

Milan overlay, micro seal, liquid road, and a slurry seal. I will now briefly explain what each of these pavement treatments is. This first example is of a milling overlay where the top layer of asphalt is milled off and replaced with new asphalt. The next example illustrates micro seal. This treatment, excuse [clears throat] me, this treatment seals a roadway and restores surface friction. Here we demonstrate liquid road. This is a polymer modified asphalt emulsion coating.

Like micro seal, it seals the pavement and reintroduces friction to the surface. This last example shows a slurry seal where a mixture of emulsified asphalt and sand is applied to residential streets to protect the surface and extend pavement life. Now let's look at where in the city these treatments are being placed. This map shows the northern area of the city. We will be placing a micro seal on the following roads. Indian School Road, Citrus Road, and McDow Road.

Next, we will apply a slurry seal to the southeast corner of a the Seda community. In the central area of the city, we will apply a micro seal to the collector streets in the Centa community and on Goodyear Boulevard and Sherman Street. Here we have Airport Road leading into the Phoenix Goodyear airport. And at the bottom of the left, bottom left of the map, we have Elwood Street, 156th Lane, Illinois Street, and Eddie Albert Way. Next, we apply Liquid Road to the following.

At the top of the map, Roosevelt Street, which turns into Portland. Over here to the right, a section of historic Goodyear east of La Hoya. And over on the left side of the map, Village Boulevard. Finally, we have our rehabilitation projects. A milling overlay on Australia Parkway from McDow Road to Van Beerren Street. and Lacanada Boulevard and historic Goodyear from La Hoya Boulevard to Central A.

These are the two projects already in progress with paving being completed and final striping scheduled in November. Lastly, in Australia Mountain Ranch, we will apply a liquid road to the lower customs east of Australia Parkway near the Stargazer monument. One of the most vital aspects of our pavement management program is public outreach. We perform comprehensive proactive community and business outreach to inform them about our projects.

Public's work staff personally contacts business businesses and apartment communities with direct access to roadways and provides details about project scope, schedule, traffic restrictions, access expectations, and staff contact information. English and Spanish project notification flyers are distributed along the corridor along with staff business cards to pro provide a direct point of contact for questions or concerns.

Usually, most construction is scheduled at night with at least one travel lane maintained in each direction at all times to preserve continuous access to businesses and residents. Variable message boards are along major roadways for three weeks providing motorists with advanced notice. ADOT also often provides support through construction messaging on IT 10 message boards.

Project information is often communicated through infocus magazine, the city website, Facebook and next door with multiple social media notifications scheduled around construction activities. Project information is also usually shared through notes to know to ensure city employees are informed and able to respond consistently to community questions. That concludes our FY27 pavement management projects. Next, we will discuss the bridge assessment and maintenance program developed in FY26.

We performed a thorough engineering assessment of condition of the conditions of all our bridges taking into consideration the bridge inspection report from AOT from 2025. Overall, the results showed that we have a sound and safe bridge network. 99 bridge structures were identified during the assessment. Numerous defects were identified throughout the bridge network.

These minor defects have been prioritized and will be scheduled accordingly to extend the life of our bridges out as long as possible. Now, let's discuss our plan to start addressing these issues identified. Currently, there is $750,000 budgeted for FY27 bridge maintenance budget. $375,000 of this was approved for FY27 in one-time funding, while the additional $375,000 was carried over from one-time funding approved in FY26.

As we begin planning repairs in FY20, As we began planning repairs in FY26, we quickly realized that $375,000 simply wasn't enough to address some of the repairs needed. Of our 99 bridge structures, eight were identified as needing repair in the next two to three years. We will be addressing the first four in FY27 due to the progress progression of deterioration. Following are the types of repairs planned for this fiscal year.

We will address minor cracking identified and damaged concrete walls and then apply a sealant to help prevent further deterioration from UV rays and inclement weather. We will address areas where water has infiltrated another deck under the deck and caused areas of the concrete to crack and daminate exposing rebar reinforcement in some areas. A seal will be applied to further prevent these damages from reoccurring and to protect the structure from inclement weather.

We will be repainting select handrails to help protect the metal from rust and degradation. We will also address any loosening of the handrail base and cracking occurring where the railing is attached to the bridge along with painting. These repairs will extend the life of the railing. Finally, we will remove leaking or abandoned irrigation lines to protect the bridges from further deterioration. Here we see the four bridges scheduled in EMR for FY27.

It is important to make clear that the items we're addressing here are minor. The bridges themselves remain structurally sound. Think of this the same way you might maintain a home re a home. Repainting trim, sealing a crack, or cleaning gutters. The house isn't failing, but those small upkeep tasks will prevent bigger issues later. Our operations and maintenance plan follows that same logic. We're tackling minor repairs now on purpose so that so they don't grow into anything significant.

We are int anticipating somewhere around a million dollars per year for the upcoming se seven years to maintain these bridges. This will be part of the discussion during the FY2028 budgeting process and beyond. I will now hand the microphone back to seat to discuss exciting an exciting new opportunity. Thank you, Brian. Uh, mayor and councel, now I'll briefly update you about, uh, Arizona State University's uh, Southwest Pavement Consortium. This has been around since 2021.

There are 15 industry and governmental partners, which includes four valley municipalities, Phoenix, Mesa, Scottdale, and Peoria. So this consortium performs local Arizona research which translates into better performing city streets and these are their broad functions. Life cycle planning road maps and pavement databases support long range investment decisions. Specifications and materials agencies and industry review specifications test materials and build consensus.

Field performance test sites and monitoring validate cost-effective treatments under harsh valley conditions. Demonstrated outcomes. Examples include a laboratory aging method for extreme heat, field validated preservation solutions, and practices that reduce wide cracking. The consortium has invited the city of Goodier to join them as a partner.

Joining the consortium is a high value, high return on investment and a lowcost opportunity for the city of Goodyear to elevate our pavement management strategy. We plan to bring an IGA for council's consideration in the coming months to join the consortium as an official partner. We intend to initiate a three-year pilot project at the cost of about $25,000 per year which is for the coming three years and it will be about 0.5% of our annual pavement management program budget.

So what do we gain with this membership? Uh what we would gain is advanced pavement technologies. We will get early access to research designed for Arizona's extreme climate. We'll also regarding proven field practices, installation and maintenance lessons from test sites and partner agencies will really help us and stronger investment decisions which is this will help us extend street life and reduce long-term costs.

This is basically the end of our portion of the presentation and as you might have noticed that most of our program is about the old proverb a stitch in time saves nine. With that uh we would be happy to discuss any questions, comments, concerns from mayor and council. Okay, thanks. I'm going to pull it out. Uh Brandon online. You have any questions? Uh no questions. is just I really always appreciate all the hard work that you guys you and your team put together for this.

I think our streets and our bridges are obviously really important and also one of the first things that residents notice when they come into our city. So, keeping them wellmaintained and in in pristine condition is is really important. So, um it's just something that I think we should always always prioritize. So, I appreciate you looking at the bridges too.

Um, I know with his with different headlines and things throughout the country, it's always good to check our bridges and especially with us building a new bridge here uh coming up uh along Estraa Mountain Ranch. That's always good, too. So, I appreciate all your hard work and the team and I'm looking forward to uh this coming to council in the future. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments? Go ahead.

It's officially fall when pumpkin spice lattes come out and you come and give your PCI report. So, it's uh it's it's always fun to hear uh what your your vision is. But the truth is we can have all the catchy slogans about Goodyear, but if people come and have a poor experience driving on our road, that really tells the story of who we are. And um I think you're right. This council's been very supportive of maintaining streets. I think it's really one of our core values.

Uh certainly it's a great expense to make the streets and to keep them uh upright, you know, going and not having and not deferring maintenance so that it it costs you more in the long run is certainly very critical. Uh I saw that we use one-time funds uh to to bridge the gap. that might have come up during the council meeting, but at some point we have to talk about the budget more directly about how we want to do that.

So anyway, I'm glad our PCI score is so robust and uh appreciate all the work that's being done on the bridges. Do [clears throat] we have a a mainten inspection schedule? Is this something that we do routinely or has it been a while? Good question, mayor, council member. Um it it's been a while since we've done an in-depth um inspection.

We do we do uh complete periodic inspections um through staff, but this is the first time and I think since 2021 that we actually did a full in-depth engineering. Well, that probably is a good idea to at least have some type of schedule.

Um because to uh council member or vice mayor Hampton's point, I mean the bridges any anything that's could be catastrophic, but certainly it's a good report about having just minor minor injuries and would would um bridge maintenance then become an annual expense that we have to budget as well. Okay, Sumit saying nodding yes. Yes. And also um Sim did correct me. So we do also we also have AOT who completes um bianual inspections for us as well. Okay.

And then we take that information out and our staff double checks it each bridge. I'm very supportive of the ASU collaboration. I think that's a great idea. I know uh Phoenix has been very interested in the heat reduction uh like seal. I've seen it before at least years ago and it didn't look great. I don't know how well it works, but as technology emerges, we definitely want to be in on what what the best practices are. So, thank you. Anything else? Go ahead, Trey. Thank you, mayor.

Just kind of mentioned by Councilwoman Kano, when it comes to the budget, some of these things are going to be budgetary. When that does come in front of us, I would like to see right now I funding's at 5.4 million. What do we project the P PCI to look like if it were to stay there? Um, right now you're asking or projecting to ask for it to be 8 million is my understanding. Sorry, I'm getting a lot of echo.

Um, do we project that to maintain itself, remain flat, or are we foreseeing that to continue to go up and up and up? And then can we quantify what a target PCI of say 74 or 75 would cost in comparison just because they are budget numbers. Um, by no means am I trying to say, well, let's have less good streets, but with budgetary asks, we I would like to be able to quantify as much as possible.

So, it's not really a question, just kind of a request for the acting city manager to make sure when this comes to us and our budget talks that that's probably something I'm going to look for. Um, mayor, if I may, I I think after we had the conversation last year about this, uh, we were moving incrementally to increase the pavement manage management budget.

So, that is being done through a combination of ongoing funds, increasing those, but also looking at one-time funds to be able to supplement what we're not able to increase on an ongoing basis. So, we anticipate that that'll go up going through the future. Um, not to get too detailed into it, but when we're looking at 76 to 78 PA PCI, we talked about it last year about being a lot of our roadways are newer um, and they're being built by development as we have development.

So, we will continue to have that, but then that will be more streets and street miles that we have to maintain. So, any investment we do right now will slow that deterioration of those streets because it will they will inevitably happen. Um, so I think that we can definitely provide as budget process comes in here. What would PCI trends look like versus budget?

Yeah, I'm I'm just trying to see what can we quantify as far as the increase in spending to oh, this will affect it by this much PCI if at all possible. That's the macro level what I'm looking at. Obviously, with our rapid growth, we're going to have a large number of streets that start hitting stress points at the same time, too. Uh, so that's something to, you know, get ahead of. And then you had your map of some of the streets that are being done.

And I have I can hear somebody in my ear already who hasn't seen this, but sometime will. Um, one of those is I think Goodyear Boulevard and Sherman. You have the Basis High School. You have Desert Edge High School. I'm sure you're fully aware you have very tight windows um to fully reframe those or repave those.

So, um just wanted to highlight when we do go there, make sure we're not butdding up against uh ma major traffic congested on those very small streets and we are in contact with uh both of those schools when we do that so they're aware of what's happening. That's all. Vicki Um, I want to thank you as well for everything you guys have put into it to figure it out because there's no question we have some of the best streets around. Um, also, um, there is, um, the PCI numbers.

I think that's excellent, especially when you go back to 17 and you look at what the numbers were there and what they are now. Now, that is quite a difference in time, but still to have them that good. We've done something right. So, you've done something right. Um, also, um, I have a big pothole outside of one of my places right now. And so I'm going to I've been going, it's my fault because I'm going to talk to you about it.

So, um, and that's what I love is because if we do see something, we come to you, it gets fixed. Some places it takes forever and so we're on top of it. So, thank you for all that. Thanks for everything you've done. The budget is going to be it's it's quite an increase. So, it's something that we're going to have to look at when the budget comes out, but I can't imagine that we aren't going to look at it. So, all right. Thank you, Wally. Thank you.

Um, Sumic, can you um remind me how many miles of roadway is actually within the city of Goodyear? Uh, mayor, council, council member Campbell, we have about 1,157 lane miles. 1,00 1,157157 lane miles of roadway. All right. In Goodyear. Okay. Um, is there going to be any other kind of road construction going on at the time that you're working on these streets at the same time? Thank Thank you for that question, Council Member Campbell.

We try to coordinate as best as possible to not have several different major roadways being impacted uh at the same time and also if we try to also see if we can piggy back on some projects if there's a water main construction then we will hold off our project so that that can be done and then we can come and pave the roadway all that happens one time instead of numerous times and we also partner like that with private development communities too.

So, so we try to minimize the impact on our traveling community. Good. Well, because I noticed that on the map it shows that most of these repairs are going to be within the community itself, which will restrict movement of our residents. And I know we have a lot of heartburn when they do it to us because we have to park two or three blocks away or stay home, one or the other. You know how that is.

So, are gated communities required to keep their streets at the same standards that we have for our city? And if not, why not? Council member Campbell, that's a thank thank you for that question. And once it comes to gated communities and private streets, then it's a private matter and the city does not really go dictating.

But then it's a matter of those residents then communicating to their HOA or whoever the property manager owner is that, you know, please maintain it in a condition that we are proud to come home from this beautiful city of Goodyear. Okay. So for our gated community, we're just getting ready to take over the the entire development ourselves and run it ourselves.

And I'm not sure that a lot of us know what the requirements are, you know, and I don't want I I just want there to be some type of open communication between the cities and all of the gated communities just to let them know what we have. We're not telling them how to do it or what to do, but some of them may not know. And I just think it's really important because we want all of our city to look good, whether it's a gated community or not. And my next question is on the bridges.

It should be real simple. Um, you you explained that what the repairs were, the crack walls, the water infiltration, and but we don't have any actual bridge that's failing that we can't use, right? Thank you, Council Member Campbell. Um, no, nothing at this point is actually failing. everything we have is going to be able to um be repaired and extend the the same as the pavement.

We extend the life of the the bridge up because I don't want anyone to take away from this meeting that because we're doing some bridge repairs and it looks like we're all underground or going through the bridges and you know doing the tunnels that we have an issue that they have to be concerned with. No, not at this point. And for the eight that repairs now, can you You showed us four of them. Can you I don't know.

I don't have to know tonight, but I'd like to know where the where for the other four are. I just am curious because when I drive over them, I don't see anything wrong with them, but then I'm not underneath them either. So, okay. But thank you so much. It's really important that that we stay on top and y'all are doing a wonderful job doing that for us.

and and I'm hopeful that with all of the businesses that have been coming into Goodyear, especially one that I will not name that's the biggest one right now that everybody's there 247 that our budget will be much bigger and we'll be able to fund you properly. So, thank you very much. Ready? I just want Go ahead. I just want to thank you for your presentation. Um, I've been following this long before I sat down on council.

Uh, and I see the progress, but um, my questions were answered by um, Council Member Terry and Council Member Kano regarding what's going on with the bridges. It's sounding like um, we may be looking at uh, our funding and uh, perhaps taking a hard look at where we need to go related to that. Um, the ASU partnership looks great. And I I have a question that's kind of way down on the list, but uh, so if we look at those industrial places, they were they I think they were at 73.

Uh, how do we prioritize those? So industrials do take the lowest priority on our streets. Um we we of course are going to make sure that they're uh maintained and usable and safe. Um but residential and arterial uh we try to we try to put the most priority towards the streets that's going to affect the most of our residents. That Thank you. That's all I have. Thank you. Good discussion with everybody here.

Uh the only thing I have is at some point uh the state and the gas tax and whatever else is a funding mechanism since there are cars on the road right now that pay nothing into the fuel uh that fund our streets. So they're going to have to address that issue at some point because the longer they go doing that, the less money there's going to have to deal with the funding issue. So um I'm hoping that some of our state legislators will address that issue at you know at some point.

But I appreciate all you're doing because the fact like you had mentioned, if you can do the maintenance to do the lasting of the streets, that's perfect. You know, uh, and you let that go, it's just like anything else. Even like home repairs, you let the home repairs go, there goes the house. So, I appreciate all you've done and I appreciate the fact that you have this index that you're looking at all the streets and how that's done. So, great discussion from council and and thank you.

So, with that, we'll bring up the next item. Goodyear recreation campus phase 2 design update. Here they come. Mayor, as uh the parks folks get settled here, um moving from one uh very important and expensive asset that we maintain uh to a project we're spending a lot of money on to be able to um improve a great facility that we have already.

Uh this is an opportunity to be able to come before you and the council to talk about uh what works has been doing on this project um and to give you a brief on where it stands and to get your input on it as well. So, um it is a very important asset for our community. So, I'll turn it over to them to lead you through the presentation. Go ahead and make sure your mics are on there. All right. And u and um introduce yourself to the public. Good evening, mayor, members of council.

My name is David Lopez, parks and recreation director. Tonight, we are privileged to provide an update on the phase 2 expansion of the Goodyear Recreation Campus. This project will more than double the developed acreage and improvements for the site, growing it from a community park to our city's first regional park. This project also satisfies the demand for some of our highest community recreation needs as identified by our parks and recreation master plan.

Since the adoption of the parks master plan in 2023, demand for sports fields, walking trails, event spaces, and cooling amenities for our Goodyear families continues to surge as our population increases. It is also important to demonstrate Goodyear parks are being built upon safety, quality, accessibility, and sustainability as key design pillars.

As we seek to be good stewards of scarce resources, it is imperative that every park project be designed with conservation at the top of mind to balance recreational needs with environmental stewardship. We look forward to getting your feedback at this critical juncture in the design process to advance towards timely project delivery to our residents.

At this time, parks and recreation director, deputy director David Side, and park superintendent Jeremy Figueroa will share more information and updates on this project. Thank you. All right, mayor, members of council, again, David Side, deputy parks and recreation director. Um, joining me is Jeremy Figueroa, our parks uh superintendent, who currently along with his team um operates and maintains all of the city uh owned uh park property and is an important member of our team.

We are joined here tonight by other members of our project team in addition to our design consultant who has been with us on this journey to take us from design to construction documents and then ultimately to opening. So we are very excited to provide this update for you. We hope members watching at home are just as excited.

U since opening a little over 5 years ago, the Goodyear Recreation Campus has welcomed thousands of visitors to the park and we're eager to develop the remaining 46 acres of the parcel. When GRC phase 1 was designed and constructed, the goal was to create a park like no other. And that goal remains for the phase 2 portion as well. To help guide tonight's discussion, we prepared a presentation that focuses on a few key design elements that will be critical to the design evolution.

We will talk through our irrigation water source and storage recommendation, our proposed parking solution, as well as an opportunity to incorporate a potential facility addition. We will then close out with project next steps and feedback. However, with as with all work session items, feel free to stop us along the way should you have a question that you'd like us to address immediately.

Before we get to those design recommendations, I do want to take some time to orient everyone here and watching at home on how we got here and provide some background on the project. So, if that sounds good, let's go ahead and get started. The site location for tonight's discussion and design recommendation pertains to the undeveloped 46 acres of the city-owned property uh just to the west of phase one. So in this graphic you can see Harrison Street is the border uh street on the top.

Estraa Parkway is to the east and you'll have the Wildflower neighborhood that abuts on the west. So 46 acres um once that is completed that will complete the entire 86 acre um city parcel and will bring Goodyear um as Mr. Lopez mentioned our first regional park. The site itself is essentially former uh farmland, basically flat. Um not a whole lot other than um farm activities went on there previously. So um it's it's prime for development and we're excited to uh get started with the design.

So agenda item one, we do really want to be intentional and get to the background, the timeline, and really how we got here. I think it's important that we take the time to go through that before we get to the design recommendations. Um, and then we'll go ahead and share a little bit about the community engagement, the public input, and the priorities of the GRC phase 2 project.

So, I'm going to kind of stagger these items so we won't read ahead, but really, as you can read from left to right, 2014 parks master plan really laid the foundation for the Goodyear Recreation Campus. That uh master plan identified the need for a new community park in Central Goodyear, and the 86 acre parcel that the city owned was an ideal location for that. In 2018, uh, the department created the Goodyear recreation campus master plan.

So that really laid out primarily focusing on phase one in the eastern portion. But we really want to make sure that any development that is in a future phase appears seamless and if somebody went to the park 5 years from now or five years after phase 2, it looks like it was all completed at once. So we did an entire master plan. We only built phase one, which the groundbreaking occurred in 2019. Phase one opened in the summer of 2021. Hard to believe over five years ago.

Seems like just yesterday, but that brought in the 30acre community park. It brought on the family aquatic center and the recreation center that many of you um have enjoyed uh over the past few years. Fast forward to 2023, that PowerX master plan update was really the foundation that identified the need to go ahead and design and construct phase 2.

During that update, there were over 23,000 inputs collected from the community, from stakeholders, from key participants, from staff, elected officials such as yourself, um, and the city manager's office all came together to identify those priorities and make sure that uh, phase two had the uh, amenities uh, in there to make the maximum impact for the public. 2023 the parks master plan was formally adopted laid the foundation for the GR phase 2 project.

Um we developed a concept in a ROM so we could consider that for CIP inclusion. So we had a base idea based on what we knew the needs of the community were that laid the foundation for the CIP project developed the scope and ultimately the budget that we have now. So that was funded in the FY26 um budget. And these green items are items that are currently underway or are a future task. So we're currently in design.

Design kicked off um in early 2026 back in February and we're working towards construction with an ultimate uh completion uh winter 2029. So I really want to touch a little bit more on the community engagement. So the 2023 parks master plan had a robust public outreach component to it. We did docracy at a number of events. If you look closely, I'm sure there's some elected officials, staff, community members in those photos.

But we held four public meetings, four virtual meetings, six uh popups, numerous stakeholder interviews just to make sure that we had our thumb on the pulse of the community and identified what we needed to do as a city as we continue to grow and meet the recreational needs of the community. I think that bottom banner kind of just sums it up. 2023 parks master plan named the recreation campus phase 2 as a top priority.

In addition to the GRC phase two, we had the Bulleted Wash Trail extension, land acquisition for future parks and a couple other things that we're keeping an eye on as well. But really that uh phase two is really the the project that's going to move the needle as far as recreational services and programs. Oh, sorry. J's beating me to it. Um don't want to spend a whole lot of time on this one, but this is a snapshot from the actual uh master plan itself. Those were the top 12, if you will.

Some of those we can easily combine for some of our sports complexes, playgrounds, unified trails, um the the splash pad. We definitely want to incorporate that. Although we have a family aquatic center, we really don't have that splash pad experience similar to Goodyear Community Park. Um that allows for expanded use. Um and we want to go ahead and add that as part of phase two. So these were the priorities and we are incorporating as many of those into phase two as we can.

Here we are to the project before us. So this is again another snapshot from the master plan. The only uh revision or modification is the project update has been uh updated as there's been um cost increases related to labor materials and ultimately project delivery. So I believe in the original master plan it had about $50 million estimated for the cost. We've escalated that over the fiscal years that have uh since come and currently we are in a project at the 68,331,500 uh dollar amount.

Here's the actual snapshot from the budget book. So just to make sure that everybody's uh on the same page as far as the scope uh the plan completion the project budgets uh related to improvements design and so forth. Okay let's get to the phase one phase two amenities. Um we've broken out on the left what we currently have but I think it's probably more important to focus on phase two what we're going to add. So, um, we're looking to add that splash pad, as I mentioned, dog park, skate plaza.

We're going to expand our inventory of multi-purpose fields, ball fields, sport courts. You'll see we pulled out pickle ball. We we understand and hear loudly from the pickle ball groups. That activity and sport is just um growing and growing. So, we definitely want to meet that demand and add some of those amenities. There will be additional ramadas, an expanded trail loop that's contiguous. Currently, there's a onem external trail loop. U, we'll expand that to approximately two miles.

So, even if you're not looking to do the traditional linear trail, if you want to get some exercise um and get some fresh air while you may have a son or daughter or a family member participating in a program, you'll be able to go ahead and get your steps in. And then with the expanded um park, we're going to also have to expand our maintenance building and accommodate the additional staff and equipment resources uh that will be necessary to maintain the park.

So this here is really what our CIP project um and scope and and budget was based on. So this is an an early design. This is conceptual in nature only. It's what [clears throat] GRC phase 2 could look like. And again, this is kind of what the uh the initial assumptions for phase 2 would be. We've made some adjustments, some modifications as we get close to 30% design, but this was really the launching off point uh as we began design um earlier this year. Quick question for you. Sure.

Uh right now we have problem parking at uh at our center right now especially we have more people showing up at our events like for Junth people are parking across the street walking across busy highways good chance of getting hit uh because we have more demand on our thing. Is there I I see you got parking lots in through there. So we got more asphalt which is going to create more heat.

But with that being said, is that going to be enough in addition to the shortfall we already have now with those parking spaces that are in that design? Mayor, thank you uh for the question. Um Jeremy's going to provide a kind of a detailed analysis and what all went into that as far as our existing um parking infrastructure as well as our projected and forecasted needs.

Um, so we we have some detailed analysis if if if we can pause until that portion and then and then we'll do a deeper dive on that specifically, but thank you for that question. Okay. So, now that we've kind of set the stage, um we're coming to you with with three really key recommendations here. And we have done a lot of due diligence and we have done some uh preliminary analysis that have led us to some of our recommendations that we're sharing this evening. Again, we're at 30% design.

So based on feed book feedback tonight input this will really lay the foundation for future uh design iterations and this is kind of a critical junction if you will to set the stage for those ultimate construction documents that we're working towards. So, with that, I'm going to turn this portion of the project or the report over to Jeremy Figueroa, who's going to do an in-depth um reporting on on the uh irrigation water source that we've identified as well as the storage.

So, with that, Jeremy, can you guys hear me? Okay. Um thank you. Uh thanks, Dave. Um let me let's start with scale. Um the parks and recreation department is one of Goodyear's largest water consumers with around 355 acres of irrigated spaces and the Goodyear recreation campus part phase one uses 33 million gallons of water today at full buildout. Both phases are projected to use 66 million gallons of water annually.

To put that into perspective, the average Goodyear household uses 90,000 gallons a year. So we're talking the equivalent of 733 homes. Think of Wildflower or Santara communities for comparable sizes. It's a big impact. Currently, the recreation campus operates from the city of Goodger's potable water system. At buildout of the 60 at buildout of the 86 acres, water costs are estimated just over $700,000.

If we stay on city's potable water at the recreation campus, the goodure of the Roosevelt irrigation district or RIID has a well well site on the northwest corner of the park property and could supply water at roughly half the cost, but this requires on-site this requires on-site water storage that I will speak to later in the presentation.

But moving to RIID water falls in line with the council's strategic goal to look into alternative water sources based on cost, proximity, and council strategic goals. We are recommending to move to RIID as our water source provider for our irrigation needs. RID water differs from potable systems as the water is raw unfiltered groundwater that is gravity-fed with nearly no pressure. Whereas potable water sources are treated and pressurized for residential use.

The using alternative water sources like RI require water storage to collect and hold the water that is later pumped out for irrigation. This is widely used for large park areas, golf courses, and sports complexes as a common best practice. Storage is needed for three main components that we'll get into. Pressure where RI arrives by gravity at near zero pressure and sprinkler heads used on large turf areas need roughly 60 to 80 PSI. Storage gives the pump station a water supply to draw from.

And additionally, a pump station is required with any sto storage option to achieve the pressure and flows needed and timing. Park's water window is 1000 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. while the park is closed and the peak demand is 250 gallons per night. storage uh storage separates when water arrives on site from when the water demand is needed and water arrives at a much lower rate than what it is pumped out.

And reliability reliability is is important because storage capacity carries the campus through delivery interruptions. Think of interruptions like pump or well motor replacements, line breaks on the service delivery, or water quality issues that may impact the delivery. The industry best practice is a five-day water supply for peak demand and service interruptions. [clears throat] That works out to about 3 acre feet of storage or roughly 1 million gallons.

That number holds regardless of the storage type that we choose. And we have worked with our water department and aqua engineering to review the data and direction for both phases of the park. We looked at three storage options for the park site. above ground tank, underground storage, and an irrigation pond, which I'll dive into next. First, the above ground storage tank. This would require an 86 ft diameter tank at 25 ft tall and is the most expensive option at 3 to 5 million.

Picture that sitting in the community park. That's about the same footprint of five two-story homes. And due to the size, visual impact, and proximity to residential homes and cost, this is not being recommended. Underground storage. This option would take roughly 1,850 large feet uh 850 feet of large diameter pipe roughly 10 feet in diameter um the size of a about the size of a soccer field at 1.8 to $2.5 million. The cost is competitive but the ongoing ma operations and maintenance aren't.

And some of the maintenance challenges are this would be a permit required confined space which carries real safety concerns and liability exposure. The cleaning and maintenance would take the whole system offline. And because it's buried, a leak would be hard to find, meaning that a repair would have to be excavated of anything that's on top of it, whether it's turf, roads, or parking. Accessibility for the inspections and dredging would be considered for placement on site.

And due to these considerations, this is not being recommended. Which brings us to an irrigation pond. An irrigation pond of approximately 3 acres in size at 14 ft deep would be needed for this site. This is the least expensive option at 1.5 to $2.3 million. And we have irrigation ponds at four other city park locations where alternative water sources are used.

And this option is one that can give something back to the community as doubling as a public amenity and eliminates the use of potable water for irrigation. Due to the cost, ongoing maintenance, and potential public amenity, this is being recommended for our storage source. Quick question for you before you before you move on. From a liability standpoint, you've got open water there. Does that have to be fenced around to make sure no kids get into that stuff? No, it does not.

Uh, all four of our other uh pond locations are not fenced in and they're not required to be fenced. Okay. So, from a liability standpoint, you're not concerned about any kid wandering into, you know, um, from a liability standpoint, all of them, all of the ponds have a twoft shelf that is that is installed at the pond edge that gives a minimal depth for it changes varying on the size of the pond, but it it gives you a twoft depth.

So that way if somebody inadvertently falls in, they're not falling into the deepest portion of the pond. It goes from there and tears down to the deepest part. Really, really the deepest part is at the center of the pond. Um, and all of them are built the same way that we currently have, but from a liability standpoint, we can definitely get you some information on that. Yeah.

The only reason why I'm curious, you got kids, you know, five, six, seven, eight years old wandering around, you know, um they may not stop at two foot in at the level there and uh that that would kind of concern I I know that's probably the cheapest way to go, but uh one way to discourage them from because you're going to have a lot of people around there at the park, okay? And you're going to have a lot of little kids around at that park, too, as well.

Discourage them from getting to any of that to from my perspective would be greatly appreciated. Very thank you for that comment, mayor. Um, we definitely look into the liability uh for that and find out what the actual requirements are. Um, but as as of now, all of our pond locations are not fenced in or not required to be fenced in. Um, the one in the in the image that that you see is at Bowler Wash 2, which is the park just behind GSQ.

And um some of the apartment complexes that were recently built, their back door is right adjacent to that pond. And um I guess it it's pretty attractive for them to to want to be in that area. Go ahead. Um that's all fine and dandy and but I agree with the mayor. You're talking the recreation center. So we have kids there non-stop. So this is different than where some of these other ponds are located. Yes, they're located in neighborhoods and stuff, but these are kids that are there nonstop.

Baseball, whatever they're doing, you know, and I think I agree with him. I'm concerned for liability also. I think that's uh just the fact that it's different from these other ponds. I think we have to really look into that. Even it doesn't have to be a huge fence, but something that would go around it to be able to keep babies um you know, two, three, six, seven, whatever that maybe would just go in to just check it out.

They have this happen in Florida all the time with alligators and different things on golf course ponds and stuff, which is not good. So, I think we have to consider where it's being located. Thank you. And thank you for your comment, Councilwoman Gillis. Uh we'll definitely look into that and get you some information on that. Okay. To summarize item number two, we are recommending the RI as a water source provider and irrigation pond for our storage.

It's the most cost effect cost efficient water supply with the RIID right around the corner. RID and our water department are supportive of this and the pond is the lowest storage, lowest cost storage and the option would uh be uh would be the additional option would be amenitizing that by creating walking paths around it and but would need to address your concern that that you've brought up.

Uh ultimately it saves about $415,000 uh dollars per year in water costs and it would ultimately get us off of the potable water that we are currently using. And at this time I'd like to pause for any questions or comments that you have regarding the source or storage. Go ahead. What is what is the evap evaporation for something like this? Thank you. Uh, Council Me Councilwoman Gillis, the evaporation loss for a 3acre pond is roughly 5 million gallons a year.

So, that would uh that would be costwise. We'd have to get you the cost on what that breaks down to each year. Um, so that way we can get all that information to you, but it's roughly 5 million gallons a year. Can you give me the cost on that, please, before we vote on this? Okay. Thank you. Anything else? Go ahead, Bonita. Yes. Um I I I while I like option three, um the center is like 14 ft down.

I also have that concern and as far as individuals and in the park, especially young people, kids, teenagers that are curious, young people, um everything. Um and and everything depends upon exactly where it's going to be located in terms of how what kind of risk there is and and we don't seem to know that quite yet. Go ahead and then I'll go to Trey. All right. Thanks. Yeah. Okay.

Well, ever since we did GRC phase one, we all knew that phase 2 was going to be a lot of turf and uh initially the conversations were about, hey, let's have a fishing lake and there wasn't any discussions at that time about the necessity of using a lake for watering. So, uh since then we've had a lot of good conversations within the city. the city uh has been very proactive to look for alternative water sources that are much less expensive.

So, um we're at the point where if we go to RIID, that does require a lake as opposed to being on the city's water, which does not. And so, we've got a trade-off in terms of costs and practicality. Certainly using our drinking water uh for other things than filling, you know, watering turf. It seems to make sense. So if we go with the RIID water and uh what all that entails, will that be developed and constructed at the same time as phase two? Thank you for that question.

That's an excellent question, Council Member Kano. Um it would we would construct phase two and develop that phase of the park and then at the time of completion we would sever our tie from our potable water source and then turn it over to the RIID. So that way there's not any crosscontamination between the potable system and the RIID water. But all the that all the park would come online at that point. The entire park. So the 66 million gallons would then all come from RI. Yes, that is correct.

So now um you mentioned [clears throat] that it's untreated and it's raw water. So we create this lake may or may not have fish. That's something to be determined. But um looking at it from uh maybe public health or safety in a different way, does that raw and treated water create any kind of public health? An excellent question. Um the all of our ponds have aquatic life in them for the general purpose of bringing the water quality to an acceptable level.

Um, we have fish that kill or eat the algae and then we have fish in those ponds that that eat mid the mij flies. So, and then we also airrate each of those ponds so that way we can produce enough oxygen in the water to to balance that. And then we also have a pond company that does a me monthly maintenance on those ponds that comes out, checks the water quality, and then adds any chemicals or not chemicals, but anything needed to balance that out for the aquatic life. and for us to irrigate.

Okay. Well, since the onset, you know, onset of of phase one and we've talked about the lake, I've been I've come out pretty publicly against it.

um because of the fact that I mean the uh it was even before we know what the Colorado River is and and potentially um what the impacts are of drought and but now we're in a situation where we have an opportunity to get off our drinking water supply which I think you have we have to weigh that out which makes more sense and so I do um I do support the RIID project um to get get the entire uh facility off the drinking water um and realize and then that does incur a lake but uh you'll have to address the other uh concerns council members have expressed on that.

Thank you Trey. Yes. Um, as was mentioned before, based on the location, at least in general draft that was part of this presentation, it suggested a lake right next to the playground that constantly has toddlers running nonstop with parents sitting at the benches. So, that clearly, I'll say right now, cannot be the case. Um and so I I think the design aspect of it certainly will need a lot of work still.

Um, when you said uh you were making comparisons based on how much a household uses versus the park, I believe 66 million gallons was utilized on there, but I think that was for 86 acres irrigated. Are we what's [clears throat] the projection based on the amount of acreage that we do need irrigated? Because I do support, you know, we need more fields. We don't have enough fields for little league and baseball and softball. We don't have enough fields for soccer right now.

I can't even get my kids signed up for Goodyear youth soccer because it fills up in 20 minutes and they have no more spots because they have no more places to practice and play. So on on that irrigation standpoint, when it comes to the acreage, are we looking specifically at the acreage that needs to be irrigated and how much of this addition would need to be irrigated? Because obviously we're not irrigating the parking lots. Um the entire 86 acres, you know, has thousand parking lots.

You have a pool, you have some buildings. So kind of what percentage if you don't have an actual number are we looking at for actually needing irrigated? Thank you for the question council member Terry. Um so on the park site right now um I can get you the total acreage for just the turf and the landscape. Um, so that way we can look at how much turf is currently being irrigated.

Aside from the landscape as that's uh in addition to that, we the park site currently uses 33 million gallons just in the landscaping and turf water currently today. And so we're projecting to double that based on the amount of fields that we're looking to add and the amount of landscaping. So, even though I can get you the the total acreage that we're looking at, but just when it comes to landscaped irrigation is 33 millions currently and 66 projected for the full buildout. Okay.

Cuz based on the simple design, it had three ball fields. Looked like a softball field was primarily dirt, but I guess it would have an a field outfield um at least. And then how many multi-purpose soccer fields, football, all stuff. And then, you know, what are the cost trade-offs per acreage for how many fields do we do? Is it a half a field less gets us to where the water demands become completely different?

Because this the water thing is going to be a major sticking point in how do we get this over the line. Um it's not so much that we don't have the water, it's how do we properly utilize the water we have to ensure that we're taking care of our residents and all their other water demands as well. Um so there there's a balancing act. Oh yeah. Uh thank you for that question, Council Member Terry.

Um, we are looking uh we have some slides later in the presentation that that kind of drives in where we're at on phase two and what's being developed and we can talk through some of those if you don't mind uh waiting to to that point. Yeah, I was originally going to wait but you know the water part came up so I guess I'll leave it at that then and I'll circle back when we're done. But to to your point, I just wanted to drive a little bit um further is on the water conservation side.

Um we're strategically looking to place turf in areas that we have programmed use and and get rid of the passive turf as much as possible. So that way we are irrigating turf where it is being used and not not you uh watering turf just for the sake of having turf. So that's our overall what's driving our overall concept is as we get into phase two is is looking for where do we maximize the use of turf as we develop. Um and uh we'll we'll stay um on that as we go through that buildout. Go ahead.

Um uh Councilman Terry um just made me panic even more about liability um by what he just said because I'm sure it's just a draft. So, the can I finish? Yes, go ahead. All right.

So, the what I'm what I was going to say to you was um can we go one step further maybe and since we do have these other water areas around the city, can we maybe uh reach out to Chief Isit and find out from the department what things what children we've had go missing or what kids what parents have called and said, "We need help. We don't know where our child is. We think they've wandered down by the waterway.

Let's find out how many kids in the city have in fact done this that this has happened to. And I think that would help us in deciding what we're going to do. I still think we're going to have to do something liabilitywise, but I think it would be good to check with our police department because they will have something on on file. I'm sure of it. I just have a question. Jeremy, have we talked about drilling our own well?

I mean, it makes if if RID has their own well on our property, why don't we have our own well on our property and we use the aquafer just like they are? Council member Campbell, that's a very good question that I cannot speak to. I would have to ask our water department on the limitations of drilling the city. Well, can we look into that because that might solve our problem or at least help with the problem.

I know no one else is in favor, but I love the storage tank because then I envision arts and culture getting all the artists to paint it and have it look really glitzy or whatever. But when you drive down Mcdow a Liberty has a water storage plant and you see it every single day and no one complains about it. And I'm sure there's I think there's also one other one on there's one on the right and there's one on the left. But the way they painted it, it's kind of brownish.

You don't really notice it. So, but I mean, if we can't do we can't um figure out how else to get the water, maybe maybe a storage tank is the solution. I mean, we we've got to have water. And it's unfortunate that we have that we're split the way we're split. So, but anyway, but just kind of find out if we could do the well. We may be restricted. There can only be maybe one well on so many acres. I don't know.

I'm not a [clears throat] well person, but it just seems logical that if RA has a well, maybe we can put it somewhere as well. And that's you're still gonna have to pay for it, but you're not paying all the other money because once you drill the well, the well's there and it's monitored and it's pumped and it's pressured. It's got everything you need. I think Kenny, you want to say something? Um, mayor, council member uh Campbell, uh there we do have wells where we do recovery of groundwater.

Uh we have the cross street is the SAT side. So we actually do injecting into the the aquifer there. Um, but we can do a little more investigation on that to give you the right answer on whether we can or not. We'll look into it. Yeah. I mean, we got to come up with some solutions, so we might as well put everything out on the table. So, thank you. You okay? Yep. That's it. That's all I have. All right. Go on. I got a comment. Oh, Brian. Oh, excuse me. Go ahead.

Forgot you were there, [laughter] Brandon. Quiet. So, um, looking at slide 11, I just want to verify I'm looking at the right thing here. Is number 18 the water feature. You're saying and 17 is the top lot. What's he talk? What's he saying? I don't know. Let's see. On number 18 on slide slide 11. Yeah. Thank Thank you for the question, C. Vice Mayor Hemp. Um on slide 11, the the uh item number one that is on the middle right if you will is the is the splash pad.

The pond is not illustrated on this image at this point. But um we'll get into that uh a little bit later in the presentation. But the pond currently is looking has to if we do a pond on site, it has to go on the west boundary to stay outside of the Phoenix Goodger airport um vis like flights. Yes. So it would have to go on the on the west side or the left side of the the park property. Okay. Yeah. I know. I'm in favor. I think it's I think you guys are very creative and innovative.

I like having a a pond there that doubles as storage. I think that's good. I mean, there's lots of cities around the state that have ponds like Surprise and other places that have pond Mountain Ranch has their water source. There's not a fence. There's anything like that either. If you walking around, there's a splash there's a there's an amenity right there with a with a slide and everything at that pool. So, um I'm okay with Irrigation Pond. I'm okay with the uh being a public amenity.

I agree that to council member Terry's point, it probably should be should be right next to the tot lot, but I'm okay with it being in the park amenity as a whole. Um and we can talk to our neighbors about their experiences with that as well. I appreciate your creativity with the RI water and and making it a less less expensive, not using drinking water for irrigation. I think the R water is a good source. Um the most costefficient like you're saying as well. So So yeah, I'm supportive of it.

I think it'd be a great amenity. Uh if we're going to have a need a storage, we might as well make it a public amenity as well. So I appreciate that. Thank you. Okay, we'll go ahead and move on to our next topic. So, as with any park, um parking uh can make or break a facility and an experience.

And uh we want to share a little bit about the analysis and the uh metrics that went into um identifying a parking solution that will not compound any issues in phase one, but will meet the needs of the uh 86 acre phase 2 portion of of the u of the site. So with that, Jeremy's going to take us through some slides that identify the parking needs and share ultimately our parking uh solution recommendations. So with that, Jeremy, take it away. Thank you, Dave.

Looking at the program needs for the 86 acre site, we require just over,300 spaces. This is needed to effectively balance the park at peak use for all amenities. Think of the teams playing on the field and the next team arriving needing space to park as well. Those transitions are factored in for this number of spaces. And as you all know, we use a recreation campus for special events. And we wanted to consider this type of use when looking at parking.

For a typical 5,000 person event, we would need between 1,600 and 2500 spaces depending on how many people arrive in a car. On-site parking provides the 1338 spaces with the addition of our partners at Basis Elementary, Desert Edge High School, and the potential recharge site frontage area. We would have a combined total of 2663 spaces available to us. That supports well above 5,000 person event. Let me ask you this. On Junth and we have about 12,000 people.

We we uh when Thank you for that question, Mayor Pasilo. Uh we do have events where we have a large number and I don't remember exactly how many people were at Junth event. Um the but we have people that arrive and leave at the park. So the daily total may be higher but at one given time we um haven't experienced what we are experiencing for roughly 5,000 people is is that number of spaces.

So, I guess you feel comfortable that when we have large events that we don't have to worry about people walking across Estraya Parkway to get to the event. We Thank you for that question. Uh we aren't using any parking spaces across um the uh Estrella Parkway. All of the spaces that we have been using are bordering either one of the schools adjacent. Um, so we're limiting uh people from having to cross Estraa Parkway for event parking if that answers your question.

Well, sort of because I know they do that. They cross the road for events. I know Juneth there were I probably parking there at the church across the way and walking across the street. I'm just worried about somebody getting hit. Okay. Because in my my opinion, I know you've got studies on there, there's not enough parking there at the events. Uh because they wouldn't be parking over at the church and walking across Estraa Parkway.

um to try to get to the event if there was enough parking on the event. So just just want to be careful of that when we have number because I or maybe we move the events like Junth and others to other events as opposed to our rec center. If we're looking at something that's only going to drive 5,000 people, I don't have a problem with that. But I know when you do Junth and others, I think we got 10 to 12,000 people showing up for that.

And uh and I know they're walk I know they're crossing a straighta Parkway to get to it because I've seen them when I'm there. So, uh, if we move those events, uh, large events outside of that, then that's okay, but I'm more concerned about people getting hit by cars because there's not enough parking spaces. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for that, mayor. Totally valid point.

Um, uh, this most recent um, Junth, I know we partnered um, with the new Goodyear High School and we're we're able to locate that event over there. I think our only existing uh, special event at the Goodyear Recreation Campus is our hop and hops um, Easter event. Um, and as Jeremy mentioned, there's definitely um some coming and going. That's part of that equation, too.

But we will definitely do a better job um on directing the uh participants to the appropriate parking to minimize um any of those crossings on Australia Parkway um and any of those high-speed um major collectors, if you will. So, um we definitely message message received um and we will do our due diligence to make sure that all of our events are as safe as possible. Do you have something? Yes. Um I there is no question we need a parking garage or something over there at the rec center.

There is no question. We come at all different times when we come to do the events there and sometimes we can't even find a place to park. So I I don't think with everything that we're doing in this city, I don't think that we should be parking at schools and this and that. We should have parking at the at the place that we're doing our event that people can come. The constituents of this city can come park there, get right down and go to their event.

I think having to park in other areas is ridiculous. I think we don't have people doing that at the ballpark. We don't have people doing that here. We have several parking garages. I think we really have to look into that and I'd like you to look into that and bring that back to us, please. Thank you. Anything else? Nope. You got something, Trey? Yeah. Okay. Um, similar to parking, this is, I assume, public parking um, open to the public. That's the concept behind it. Correct.

I mentioned earlier we have two high schools right next door. So, are we anticipating at least 100, if not 200, 300 students parking there daily? Appreciate the the question, Council Member Terry. Um, we currently have don't have any restrictions on on uh students parking in our parking lot. Um, we have done some signage at Foothills Community Park to to that extent. Um, but at the Goodyear Recreation Campus, we currently do not have anything that says that the students cannot park at the park.

Is that if is that what you're saying? Yeah. Yeah. That get that gets to one of my points. Um I know we don't currently because you know Key, I've taken you to Desert Edge before where we've had conversations about the potential need for a crosswalk. At some point when we do the work there on Sherman, there will need to be some sort of crosswalk because there are kids before school over at the GRC that are just hopping across to Desert Edge.

Meanwhile, you have a long line of traffic from parents trying to get into bases. You literally have two high schools right next to each other that have start times that kind of overlap and stagger on top of each other. Um, but my point was if we're going to add a whole bunch of more parking right there, not only will we likely see hundreds of students and probably staff from these schools park in the GRC parking that we would create.

But you have football games at Desert Edge right now where you have probably a hundred at least 100 cars parking in the dirt out there that would then be created for this. My question was more point like have we factored that in? Are we anticipating a significant use based on the fact that there are two high schools just right next door? Thank you for the question. Uh, council member uh Terry, I think when we look at park use, our prime use is in the evenings.

So that's when we maximize our program use and our parking. So during the day currently, if kids are parking in the parking lot, it's not it's not really distracting from some of those parking spots in that area of the park. Um, I would say the closer spots, if it was closer to like the GRC or the RECT campus, it would definitely impact that because of all the day traffic that we see at the rec campus.

But with the parking lot building out more towards the west, you would if students were to park in those parking spaces, it would be uh during non- peak time, if you will. Okay. Um, and then just as part of that, probably need some sort of you know, pedestrian crossing control or something to that effect. And then number 20 on that map that you had, is that a road that would connect Sherman to was it Harrison on the western boundary?

Are we um proposing to create a road that would circumn the entirety of GRC? Thank you for your question. Uh the we are looking to add a road that on the west boundary of the park property that would connect you from Harrison to Sherman. Okay. And that was to try to alleviate some of the school traffic that that you see on Estraa Parkway as well. We Yeah. Um, I bring that up because that's as soon as parents, students, teachers learn that.

Again, Sherman was built as an access road to Desert Edge, what, 24 years ago, something like that. And then Basis was built right there. And it's just one way in, one way out, and it's created a traffic nightmare at times. soon as we build that reliever that will go up to Harrison, we should anticipate a lot more traffic during those peak hours for um before school and after school.

So, that's something to keep in mind for maybe early afternoons and then especially large events, band competitions on the weekends or football games, things like that. So, that's all I have for right now since we're specifically talking parking. Um, I will. All right. Let them let them continue on and sure will there be more. All right. So, when it comes to parking, we looked at two uh parking options. The parking we looked at uh parking garage and the traditional surface parking.

Uh, and we'll drive into each of these next. A parking garage. While this is not typical in a park setting, it is something we considered based on feedback we had received. The garage would consist of three levels on a footprint totaling 144 spaces. And this would be a net gain of 127 spaces on the same ground. In land terms, this preserves acreage for recreation instead of asphalt. The cost is $30 to $50,000 per space versus 5 to$10,000 per space for surface parking.

Roughly five times the cost. Plus, you would add elevators, fire protection to maintain for the life of the structure. On accessibility, a garage concentrates all the parking in one place, which can mean it's a longer walk from your car to an amenity for most users. And think of parents packing their sports gear, their wagons or party needs to get to the areas in the park. It also introduces elevator dependency which is a single point failure on a hot day with full park.

And given that we are able to balance parking at peak use without this the uh parking garage, this is not being recommended. traditional surface parking with phase two providing the estimated 705 paved spaces. This is 150 spaces above what is needed for capacity for park demand. Surface parking allows users to park closest to the amenity that they are using, making it convenient for residents bringing items to the park. It's the lowest construction cost and exceeds the demand.

minimal ongoing maintenance, no elevators or fire protection, and ADA stalls can be placed close to each designated uh area rather than all in one structure, which distributes accessible parking across the campus instead of concentrating it. And think of the users that are in the to the park that are that need to uh park close to adapt the adaptive or challenger field with ADA accommodations. And due to these reasons, surface parking is being recommended.

And with that, I would pause here for any questions regarding the parking recommendations. Go ahead, V. Well, you're making a parking garage look pretty grim. We've got several around the city, so I'm not giving up on the parking garage because we have several right here at GSQ. Um, uh, that's a lot of land it's going to take up if you do that. And I don't know what's that going to take away from what what are we keen what are we putting in the phase two landwise.

Uh Mayor Councilwoman Gillis uh I know we have a slide a little later where we're showing what if we were to use the pond example for example and surface lot it'll show how everything is programmed out. So we will get that a little bit later but you're you're correct. I mean whether you're using an irrigation pond rather than above um underground storage, it's going to take up programming space.

Similarly, if you're transferring some surface parking lot to a structured parking lot, you're going to have more space to program out. Now, I don't have the the the numbers exactly how many fields you could get, but yes, you're you're making a trade-off, but then that also comes with different costs. And so, we're trying to bring you information about both costs and options.

And and that's why we're here tonight to be able to takes up a lot of land in my book when you're talking about adding all these different things that we want to add. Um, I want to know not per space. I want to know what the total amount is for the parking garage. I want to know the total amount for doing the parking on the land. Just give me a total ballpark figure for both. Thank you for your question. And um, Councilwoman Gillis, we definitely get you that information. That's great.

Anything else? Go ahead. Don't we have some kind of shared use agreement with basis and desert edge for they use facilities and we share does that include parking? Yeah, mayor council member Kano we definitely have those joint use agreements with our other partners. So um we exercise those regularly. So if we have a special event we definitely reach out to them.

they make their parking available to us and likewise if they have something special going on at [clears throat] their facility, you know, we offer up our parking to the best of our ability. So, we have great relationships and we have great agreements in place to maximize um each other's parking. Okay. Because for the day-to-day use of the the facility, we it looks like we have ample and we have backup, you know, if needed with the with the partnership.

So um I know the garage uh is an is an attractive idea. I I would venture there would be some security concerns. I I've noticed even in the GSQ garages, kids with their ebikes and e scooters taking advantage of uh just going up and down, going up on the roof, things like that. I I think in some ways it could become an attractive nuisance. So, something else to think about. Um, mayor, if I may, just real quick, I I know there was some concerns about crossing the major streets.

Uh, not to put a plug in here, but you know, our engineering department is working on a road safety action plan, and one of the goals of that is to be able to look where our vulnerable users are and where we can do safety improvements. So whether we're talking about Estraa Parkway, we're talking about Sherman, or we're talking about Harrison.

I think there's definitely opportunities as phase two proceeds to see if we need to provide more safe crossing locations, signalized crossing locations to be able to make sure people are coming from the neighborhoods, whether they're parking in the neighborhoods and coming across or if they live in the neighborhoods and want to use the facilities, we want to make sure they get there and back home um safely.

Only thing I would suggest though is is the church across the way when you do things like uh Junth and whatever if you can get a parking agreement with them because that's what they're doing because when you have the Junth it was right there at our facility. They're not if you do the extension they're not going to park all the way down there on the west side and walk all the way there.

So you got to have something that's across of Australia that you have an agreement with where they can safely come across [clears throat] if it's if they can't find parking. And that's what worries me most because I remember when what's his name came here about talking about his grandma before the light went up. Remember she was afraid he was afraid she was going to get hit because of the traffic. She was trying to cross the trail parkway to me.

If you can get something there with that church because they were they were parking there anyway. But uh I don't know what you do with a light to make sure they can come across here safely. Go ahead and then we'll go to Bonita after Vicki. Vicki then Bonita. Um, uh, okay. For the parking garage issues, I agree because we've had problems at GSQ, but I also know we have a fantastic police department that takes care of that. So, I'm not even concerned about that.

And I'm concern and and in fact, um, I think they they regularly take care of everything that they have that's going on with these events. They're always at them. So, they're watching the roads as far as that goes. They're watching everything. Now, they can't be every place all the time, but they try to be, but I know the garages. I know that I have seen people in the garages doing what they're doing with the ebikes and stuff and I know the cops have come and addressed it.

So, I'm not worried about that whatsoever. Bonita. Okay. Um, a couple of questions. So, you're saying that if we did surface, we we would have 705 paved spaces, but we did the um garage. Are we we talking less spaces or or I'm not clear on how many spaces are you talking about on the garage? Thank you. C council member Beckles. Um we uh phase two would bring an additional 75 spaces that would equal 1338 spaces in total at the site is what we need.

uh whether we did the parking garage to achieve that number of spaces or surface parking, that's just what the number of spaces that we need. Okay. So, a lot of people I've talked to, they would have certainly appreciate shade canopies or some kind of shade and because I've got I have I've had a lot of questions about why we didn't do that in phase one. Of course, I wasn't on council then, but uh but they are interested in some sort of shade. So, um, so, uh, that would definitely be a good idea.

And, uh, as, uh, Councilwoman Gillis said, um, I've been on ride alongs where they've actually gone through the the parking decks, the police, uh, with the police department to make sure that the kids aren't there or they're or whoever is there, they're that not supposed to be there. So, so, um, they they do take care of that. Um, so that's all I had. Okay, go ahead. Okay, we will I got a comment real quick. Whoops. Hampton, I keep forgetting up there. Go ahead.

Yeah, I'm I think I'm okay with the service parking. I mean, uh, parking garage is great. I would have left that area. I don't know if the neighbors would really like a three-story parking garage, uh, looking into their neighborhoods or their backyards right there. uh because it is surrounded by a neighborhood as opposed to uh city hall where it's a industrial or commercial area. I think it's a lot different use.

I like the idea of trying to save spaces, but I think since staff did the analysis and they think that a uh uh surface parking is adequate, then I think that's fine. Um, and if we need to, we can look at other users in the area, like mayor was talking about, uh, agreements with other other parking for those one-off events that are not every every night. Uh, they're the big the big events that we need to plan for. So, I'm okay with surface parking. Thank you. Okay. Go ahead. Okay.

And, uh, we've come to our last um, topic of discussion for this evening. Um and this is the um concept of an additional facility uh to be considered as part of phase 2. Um this recommendation comes as we continue to see internal need for larger meeting space continue to grow as well as community demand for larger private use gathering space. The Goodyear Recreation Center currently has meeting space that can accommodate up to 150.

But this limit, in addition to high community demand for private meeting space, compels us to share an opportunity to address this need in phase 2 design. Before I toss this back to Jeremy, I just want to be clear. Should there be support and consensus from council to add this facility, staff would amend the project scope and the project budget as part of the FY28 budget process for council consideration.

So this currently isn't scoped, isn't budgeted, but there is an opportunity to explore this concept. And with that, Jeremy will take us through that analysis. Just for Jeremy goes to be clear, um the 60, what was it? 60 some million dollars. This is this is not in there. Correct. Okay. I just want to make sure we're clear. Okay. Thank you, David. Thank you, David.

Uh with the success that David was speaking to of phase one recreation campus community room, we wanted to provide an option for consideration as part of phase 2 or potentially an additional phase to the park. Phase 1's multi-purpose room is 3,000 square ft and holds about 140 people. This room is booked most of the year and is highly used by our internal departments as well as as external users. and it's the largest meeting room we have in the city's inventory.

When looking at the community meeting spaces, we sometimes have to look at third party space there third party spaces that city activates as well. Think of uh volunteer appreciation or state of the city events. Um and this could potentially host senior services as well. Uh we have an opportunity to locate a community room on the recreation campus site and potentially next to the irrigation pond if that was the desire.

We were thinking to start at 6,200 square ft which is double the size of the current multi-purpose room at the Goodyear recreation campus. [clears throat and snorts] the proposed room uh you guys are probably all familiar with and that we everybody's uses. Um and with that um I would turn it to the [snorts] Yeah. And I think with that we're just looking for uh some feedback, some comments if there's interested in exploring that. Um Jeremy has advanced.

This is kind of the the summary of our discussion tonight. Um water being the RIID source and the pond parking. Um at this time we're recommending, but we hear mayor council feedback uh loud and clear. Um we'll go ahead and do some uh additional research as we go through our design exercises, but as of this presentation, we were recommending the parking be distributed and uh throughout the parkway.

And then our recommendation is to uh consider adding that additional community room um knowing full well that it's that it's not currently scoped nor budgeted for that. So with that, here's another uh natural stopping point to uh gather feedback and direction and uh we will uh following that u kind of share a little bit of the layout um as we find oursel at 30%.

Wally, well, I would recommend that you at least look into it and then give us a price on it because every senior program, every single one has a weight list and we have people that want to get involved and we can't put them anywhere and it's just it really just people complain about that all the time. I'm at the I'm at the rec center four, five, six, seven times a month at senior programs and everyone wants a bigger place. We don't have a place for our residents to have a wedding reception.

We have to go, if we're going to do something for the city, we have to rent Pebble Creek. We have to rent Palm Valley Community Center. We have to rent the golf building. So the money we spend for that, if we had our own building, we would reap the rewards of that and then if we rent it out, we're going to make money on it.

But if you do do a larger room, you need a kitchen setup that is totally restaurant ready because people would want to bring in their own caterers for whatever event, even the city. But I just Yeah, that's the thing. We had when I moved here, we had Loma. If we could get 30 people in there with one toilet, we'd have to wait 15 minutes because it was so tiny. Um, that's all we had for years and years and years and years and years. So, when we opened a rec center, everybody was thrilled to death.

We all imagined it would be much larger, but as you know, every single room in that building is used for something every single day. So, we can't even expand into one of the other rooms because it somebody else is using it. So, I just think it it we need to look into it because if we're going to spend the money, it may doesn't necessarily have to be in the first phase.

You can always phase it in, but let's at least have it on the table so we can talk about it and see what the residents want because really it just Yeah, the more I think about it and I I know how people are always asking me where can I meet? I need a I'm going to have 150 people at my wedding. What do I do? And I said, well, you can go to Pebble Creek or you can go to Palm Valley. And then they've all got their own requirements.

And I just think it's an opportunity for us to look into it and maybe make some money. Of course, it it's going to cost a bill, but in the long run, it'll pay for itself. Anything else? I kind of agree with Wall-E on that one, but go ahead. the I think definitely we should explore the additional meeting space. Um it's unclear to me though in this diagram are we looking at expanding the existing one or we going to build something standalone? I don't I don't quite see the vision.

Thank you for that question. Uh Council Member Kano. Uh I apologize. I'm going to step back on this next on this previous slide um to answer a few questions that came up. This is this would be an additional building a as part of phase two not in connected to phase one. The room that we were looking at is just start from a starting off point was doubling the size that we currently have at 3,000 square ft to 6,000 square ft.

It would have a it would be a multi-purpose room with storage and a warming kitchen and a it would require a lobby as well to function as a as a senior service center or uh to do third party events, things like that. And it we were looking at for a building of 6,200 square feet, it would roughly cost between 9 and 10 $10 million. I think you've got somebody wants to speak in the back there. Okay. And then at some point, can you show us when we get to that final slide where that would be located?

Thank you. Do you got Thank you, mayor. I was just here to listen to the comprehensive set of overview questions that we had, but u since I'm on the mic, I maybe speak to the complimentary usage of a senior services building and some meeting space. The intention was that, you know, I think we wanted to explore opportunities and and not miss the opportunity really to explore the cost and the impact.

We thought about premier meeting space that would be probably most popular during our evening hours as our history shows with our reservations and we'd hate to see the space go underutilized in the daytime and we know that there's a desire to bring these services into Goodyear and for that reason we want to present it to you and we appreciate your feedback regarding the support for that. Vicki, you have something and you got something, too. Um, I'm I agree with Wally on the meeting space.

Absolutely. It's got to be completely equipped. I I agree also with her that we need to if we can make money on that, that would be a great way to do it and be offering our residents more than what they have now. Um, I also want to see more information come back on the parking garage both ways. I don't think you have enough information. We need that. Okay. Thank you. Go ahead, Bonita. Trey. So, I like the idea of the meeting space.

Um, I without even going through an assessment, I think it's definitely definitely needed. Uh, my only question is putting putting another meeting space there. Are we taking away space for uh ball fields and and and that sort of thing? um those kinds of things. Is is is are we taking any spaces away? I know I I've talked to people who uh are wanting their kids in programs and we don't ne necessarily have enough space. So, I I'd like to be able to weigh the two. Okay.

Uh, also wanted to mention we have a uh, it didn't show up in your packets because the animation just wouldn't be possible, but we have sort of a fly through and we'll go zone by zone and kind of speak to that. Um, it's a relatively small footprint that's occupied by a building of this square footage. And so to answer your question directly, we don't see it taking away programmable space. We see a lot of opportunities for synergy and even flow.

We know with senior services it's important to have drop off zones and uh safe areas for crossing and we've integrated that to the design which you'll see momentarily. Great. Thank you. Um I I like the idea of it. I do have concerns about you know what what do the operational costs look like? I don't necessarily see it as easy as being able to make money off of it. We build it. We're either going to have to staff it or we're going to have to contract it. We'll have to maintain it.

So, there will be ongoing costs. So, what what are the projecting figures on the income based on what we would continuously spend as well? There's a second diagram down here that um shows a pond less fields, no pickle ball with a meet what looks like could be a meeting space uh building as well. So I have very similar concerns as Councilwoman Beckles on the tradeoffs. It's almost like if we're going to do the community building, do we then have to do a garage?

Which then gets into my I guess more o overarching question. You had said you're looking for consensus. When are when are we looking to kind of get a consensus among council? Because on many of these I I don't hear it. Um so I like my initial thought here is we need more discussion, more time, more figures and just there are too many questions I think right now to be making that. So I don't know if you were expecting that tonight or we're just having an open dialogue.

Obviously, we're not voting on anything, but if you're looking for consensus on whether it's water, parking, uh the community room, if we're seeing it as like a phase 2.5 almost, uh I I think at least getting that design makes sense, but I I'll let you go, Keg. Brandon, oh, I was going to respond to Council Member Terry's uh question.

I I think tonight we were wanting to get gauge council's interest in these different items and what options might we have available, what our preliminary recommendations are. But based on this, I I agree with you. There isn't consensus here. But I think we'll um kind of go back huddle and figure out how we um tackle this and bring back um different different recommendations or different information for you so that we can figure out how we can go.

We would we want to continue moving forward with the design of the project, but at the same time, we want to make sure we're respectful of the council's um interest and and opinions on this as well. So, we'll we'll figure out a way to be able to come back and get that information to you. That that makes me feel a little better. I was hoping we weren't trying to force consensus or anything tonight. Thank you, Brandon. Yeah. Um I like the idea of the community room.

This, you said it's a freestanding room. It's not it's a separate building altogether. We're not expanding the existing one. Correct. Is that correct? Correct. Yeah, that is correct. Council member H. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I like the idea of one. I think that'd be good. I mean, in the future, I'd also like look into I mean, a lot of other ideas I have too around city hall. But, um, but yeah, I think it something to look into. I'm I'm open to it.

I mean, another $10 million is a little little a little little expensive, but I'd like to look into it. But to Bonita's point as well, uh just making sure how that fit into your your project here with everything that I think we want to get in there because I I don't want to take away a a soccer field necessarily. Um I think we need that for the region or at least for Goodyear as well. So um yeah, be curious how you guys fit all these pieces into into this uh uh puzzle here.

So but yeah, but I I I like the idea of it. All right. Thanks, Wally. I just would like to ask you uh you know the senior programs are not free. We pay for them. So we're bringing in revenue. The classes we're pay for. U our silver sneakers I don't pay for but my insurance company pays for it. So you these are income uses for that facility.

So when you're going to come back and talk to council, it might be helpful for those that are very skeptical about this that this is what we this is how much we now spend at the rec center for staff and maintenance whatever and this is what we project if we did the new one. And also this is the revenue that we might expect and this is what we get now because you know people rent out our room and they rent out our fields and they you know They rent out our pool, but that's all revenue.

So, if you don't mind, I think it'll make it a lot easier. Kenny, what what I'm hearing is what for you guys to bring back number one is you got water, parking, community. All right, water. If the water place goes X, what gives up there? Or if you go underneath, what can be above there? What's the cost difference for parking? Same thing. What if you put the all of the above ground? All right. If you put the park, you know, like you say, summer, what's it going to look over?

But the other piece is if you put that in there, what are you giving up? How much land are you giving up for maybe more soccer fields or the community room? Where's the community room goes? If it's not there, what else can you put there? But if the community room goes there, what's given up? So, I think you've got all of these things.

If you can put some options on all these three for the council to have further discussion, I think you'll be in a better place because right now there's all this other input in through here for a variety of reasons whether it's parking or not. You don't have any clear direction on any of this stuff right now until you give us more options of how all this lays out. Go ahead, Trey. Just one more thing you were mentioning on location. I didn't mention it before with pickle ball.

If we're adding pickle ball, as Brandon mentioned, there are houses around nearby Especially [laughter] summertime, we get people very enthusiastic about pickle ball at 5:00 a.m. 5:30 a.m. It does make noise. How close are we to that? I do have some folks in Estraa that have become less and less of a fan of pickle ball because of the proximity to those courts there. I direct them to the HOA.

Obviously uh that's not us but when it becomes us I want to make sure we are bearing that in mind as well. Yeah. So you got all these variables here. I'm hoping it gives you enough direction they bring back for all these questions that everybody's asking. Go ahead. Go ahead. Just one more thing. Should we get to the expansion of phase two and more um courts and that sort of thing and fields?

Does that is that mean that we would be available or would it allow for any regional tournaments that could come to Goodyear? Yeah, good good comment there. Uh, Mayor, Council Member Beckals. Um, you know, really those regional national tournaments, they're they're looking for uh a much higher field inventory. Not that we couldn't piece together. I know the ballpark and the development complexes, we've been successful, you know, utilizing some of those fields.

I don't know that this puts us on the map for those regional tournaments, but we definitely some of those local tournaments, we would definitely be uh more appealing for those tournament promoters. Um, first and foremost, we're looking to meet the needs of our our residents. Um, you know, this is for recreational level. That's our bread and butter. But we do also recognize that there's a a pretty high demand for those competitive youth sports.

the club teams and and we're constantly getting requests to accommodate those um needs as well. So, um you know, 46 acres isn't going to solve all of our problems. Um you know, we have challenges related to growth. Um, I think it's going to put a good dent into it, but um, I I don't think it's the magic wand, but we are working diligently to produce a design that has the most impact for everyone, so everybody gets a a little and we, um, continue to meet the needs of the residents as best we can.

So, um, if if I can segue, um, into we have a little bit of a fly through that, uh, um, contemplates kind of the recommendations tonight. Obviously, we didn't make real-time edits to this based on feedback, but um based on some of based on our recommendations, this is where we saw things. So, this will be a launching point um as we continue the design efforts and this kind of gives you a little bit of an idea of what we're thinking. So, with that, I'm going to play this.

We'll do next steps and that will close out our presentation. What you're seeing there is the good campus currently in the aquatic center. The two softball fields as part of phase one as well, the playground. And then when we go into phase two, you see that you'll see the uh two additional soccer fields, the pond, and as well as the community center, a multi-purpose room that we were looking or speaking about, and then the active pedestrian spine to try to connect that loop.

Uh the maintenance building that needs to be expanded for the additional staff to support that 86 acres. Again, the two uh soccer fields, three additional youth sports fields, and one challenger field, a skate plaza, and a three- cell dog park. And we'll be moving the two uh sand volleyball courts and and adding the ped the splash pad. And then at the very end there, you see the addition of four more uh pickle ball courts.

Where are those pickle ball courts in relationship to the houses that Trey was mentioning? How close are they? So, in that one, they're down where the current ones are. The previous slide earlier showed them up in the northwest corner uh of it and that that would have been a concern. Where they are there isn't a concern. So, since it was proposed in both areas, that's why I wanted to bring it up. Joe. Yeah. Pebble Creek has 36 pickle ball courts. that we funded ourselves.

And we have larger walls than probably you're supposed to so that we could mitigate the noise. And we have time limits of when the pickle ball courts are open and when they're closed. And they're very strict. So they're not out there at 5:00 in the morning. Even in the summer, they're not out there at 5. But there are strictly time limits plus the lights.

So that's we do regional there and we do it a lot and we have as many as 4,000 players that come but when you have 36 courts you can do that and I don't see the city being able to have something like that for several years till we find some more land. So question I have for you is you want to kind of move forward on this but you got a lot of questions here. All right and some tweaks that you're going to do. What if this doesn't go here? What goes there? You know type of thing.

[clears throat] What kind of time would you guys need to come back to us to to actually do another presentation? Something similar to that, but has all those variables in there. What if a garage goes here? And what have what what do you lose space-wise? What if the building goes here? What are you giving up? Are you giving up anything more fields? Some of those things that you saw here from some of the questions from your council members that you could bring back. How much time would you need?

So, we don't want to slow up your process there, but there's a lot of questions here that that's going to have to be delved into. What do you guys need 30 days? I I think council's given us a lot of good direction and feedback tonight that we can we can work through. We've heard a lot of the concerns and uh we want to talk to ONM. We'd love to give everything, but we're going to talk through the tradeoffs and uh do some follow-up. Okay.

We'd love to get here before the end of the of the calendar year uh back to you all, but that's going to be pending what other work session items that we have to balance. So, um, that'll be our goal. Maybe before January 1, but, um, you know, pending the load, it may be early next calendar year. You think you got enough that you can come back with the alternatives that everybody kind of threw out here question wise. I think we have what we need. Thank you. Yeah. Okay.

Just want to make sure because there was a lot of back and forth, a lot of variables in there. I just want to make sure you got enough. You got enough. I took good notes. Thank you. Okay. All right. With that then, um, everybody good? Ready to move up? Yes. Go ahead. at the end. Yeah, we're at the end. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, yes, we can go ahead introduce uh last uh let's see, next meeting we got coming up November 22nd. If anybody's got anything you want to add, you got something. Go ahead.

Um, I want to add that I had the honor of meeting with um, Colonel Richard Toiver and he is the new um, um, he's written a new book called Black Winds Over Arizona and he is of the Tuskegee Airmen and I had two days last week that I spent with him and they are very they're an interesting group of people. I learned about them when I was in high school. I love all the stories. Colonel Toiver is he's just amazed the stories that he tells and he is putting this book out.

He asked for my help to put this book in the schools and so I told him that I was going to set him up with um Superintendent Mark Yeas and he is he's done that. We've already collected the books. We're going to put several books in the high schools and we're going to take it they've done it with a few other high schools. We're going to try to take it even beyond that. So with with history not being taught as much in the schools now this is something everybody should know about.

In fact I remember learning about it and it's such an it's such an interesting story that he has written and so um I wanted to kind of say that I was just really that was an honor of my lifetime to sit with these people last weekend. Also I think it's important that um Veterans Day coming up. We've got two different um Veterans Day events. One will be at Pebble Creek and one will be at um the new Hilltop on November 2nd.

So as that would like to go to that, I would suggest getting signed up for that because that's going to be a great time to meet some of these people. So there you go. It was exciting. Anything else? We all good. All right. Well, with that, you know, November 2nd, we have another coun we got our council retreat on October 27th, too. Don't forget that. Right. And you're going to have some munchies there for us, too. Right there, Jasmine. All right. All right. No further business.

This meeting is adjourned.