PARADISE VALLEY, ARIZONA — September 17, 2018

Paradise Valley refines Doubletree Road roundabout design amid persistent safety concerns

Paradise Valley held second public meeting on controversial Doubletree Road roundabout project with significant community opposition focused on safety concerns, fatalities on the road, and impact on pedestrians/cyclists, with final council vote scheduled for November 15.

Paradise Valley Community Vents Safety Fears Over Doubletree Road Roundabout in Second Public Meeting; Final Vote Looms November 15

Jeremy McConnell, Paradise Valley's Community Development Director and Capital Projects Manager, presented the latest design iteration for the Doubletree Road roundabout project on September 17, 2018, emphasizing how the town had addressed public comments from the first meeting. Yet despite those design modifications—including a south-side sidewalk, delayed construction start, and a monument sign—fifteen residents testified that the project fundamentally fails to address the arterial road's dangerous speeding culture and existing fatality history. The town council did not vote on the project; final approval is scheduled for November 15.

Project Scope and Design Changes

The roundabout project spans Doubletree Road from Grand River to Scottsdale Road. McConnell outlined the general plan directive that called for a standard urban minor arterial cross-section including a three-foot-wide sidewalk, bike lanes in both directions, and landscaping. The design team incorporated multiple revisions based on public input:

Sidewalk placement: Added a continuous sidewalk on the south side of Doubletree after residents requested it in the first meeting.
Construction timing: Shifted the project start from October (which would disrupt the school year) to after the holidays.
Monument sign: Incorporated a monument sign in the median, addressing resident suggestions.
Alignment adjustments: Modified traffic-calming features and bike lane widths to balance pedestrian access, property owner impact, and movement on the corridor. McConnell noted that initial designs had included a six-foot bike lane on each side, but the team narrowed those lanes to reduce impacts on abutting properties.

McConnell stated: "We had originally proposed to go on the construction starting in October so we took a look at that and we're now proposing to start the project after the holidays." He added that the design team had worked with a traffic engineer to confirm that the roundabout design was appropriate given the road's speed and function.

Public Comment: 15 Speakers, Heavily Opposed

Fifteen residents addressed the council and design team during public comment. The vast majority raised grave concerns about safety, traffic behavior, and the project's alignment with the town's values. Key themes:

Previous fatalities and speeding: Multiple speakers noted that Doubletree Road has been the site of fatal accidents and chronic speeding despite a 30 mph speed limit. One resident observed that drivers regularly exceed 55–60 mph and pass school buses on the west side of the road.
Danger to pedestrians and cyclists: Residents voiced concern that a roundabout would increase conflict between vehicles and vulnerable road users, particularly school children walking or biking. One speaker stated that the sidewalk was requested "not for work and we work with pursuit more making it easier on traffic and continuity," but questioned whether beautification would actually occur.
Tree replacement inadequacy: Multiple residents compared the project's tree plan unfavorably to recent beautification work in nearby Madrid, arguing that the town's design does not match the visual standards achieved there. One resident noted that trees planted when the canal was built "are not eating they're falling down the branches" and have never been replaced, suggesting the town has a poor track record on maintenance.
Drainage and water accumulation: Several speakers raised concerns about existing water pooling and drainage problems in the area, worrying that construction could exacerbate flooding. One resident stated: "I see the pollution on the road that's great East Side of Doubletree he was on fifty six sometimes seven miles you won't see that on the left side Billy do you see 70 miles 60 miles behind West article," indicating perception of severe runoff issues.
Roundabout effectiveness questioned: A resident with experience in other jurisdictions expressed skepticism about roundabout safety in practice, noting that roundabouts "equipped to drowns out and it's like bumper cars and people jumping off nobody knows who the let's go around and pay you the saying when you have children." The speaker suggested photo radar enforcement might be a more effective tool.
Project prioritization: One vocal resident challenged the town's decision to prioritize the Doubletree roundabout when other infrastructure needs—such as drainage fixes—had been deferred for decades. She urged the council to "postpone by dressing or six weeks" to allow time for re-evaluation of project priorities and potential design alternatives.
Process concerns: At least one resident criticized the design-development process, suggesting that the town had already committed to the roundabout concept and was not genuinely open to fundamental redesign. She stated: "if you have a way to complete the design I'm suggesting okay I don't like this if you don't like to find say that as well but the people who really want to talk to are the council members that were going to be to vote for this or not."

Council Member Commentary and Context

One council member (identified in the brief as "Mark Sam," though not clearly named in the transcript) acknowledged that he "did not vote for the funding of this study" but noted the project was now part of the Capital Improvement Program (CIP). He offered measured support for the design team's work, stating: "He's basically pulp is what he is come back with the design if you don't have to with the design he feels good so if you have a way to complete the design I'm suggesting okay."

The council member also provided historical context, noting that the earlier funding vote was "five to four" (5-4), indicating that passage was close and some council members harbored reservations from the outset.

Opposition

Number of speakers: 15, with the overwhelming majority opposing or expressing serious reservations about the project.

Main concerns:

Roundabout will not address chronic speeding; may increase driver distraction and thus compound pedestrian/cyclist danger.
Previous fatal accidents on Doubletree Road suggest the project tackles a symptom rather than the root cause (speed enforcement).
Tree replacement plan is inadequate compared to other town projects (Madrid was cited multiple times as a superior model).
Existing drainage and water-pooling problems in the corridor may be worsened by construction and should be addressed first.
School children and families living in the neighborhood already perceive Doubletree Road as dangerous; the roundabout may increase perceived and actual risk.
Project prioritization is misaligned; drainage, water, and safety should come before beautification.
The design-development process did not genuinely accommodate requests for fundamental redesign or project postponement; the decision appears locked in despite public concern.

Most compelling arguments: Residents who had direct experience with the road's hazards—particularly those with young children, those who walk or cycle daily, and those familiar with both sides of the road—spoke with conviction about the danger. One resident emphasized the contradiction between the town's safety concerns and its decision to add a feature (roundabout) that might increase driver distraction. The comparison to Madrid's superior tree and beautification outcomes suggested that Paradise Valley's budget or commitment to follow-through was in question. The repeated mention of prior fatalities and the 30 mph speed limit that drivers routinely violate created a narrative that the roundabout is a cosmetic fix to a serious safety problem.

Organized groups: No formal organization or coalition was identified in the transcript. However, residents clearly coordinated on key messages (speeding, fatalities, tree quality, drainage) and several offered multi-point testimony, suggesting discussion beforehand.

Support

Number of speakers: Limited. One resident offered qualified support, noting that while she does not live on Doubletree Road and is not directly impacted, she understands the concerns raised by neighbors. She expressed sympathy for project partners and did not strongly advocate for the roundabout's approval.

The town staff (Jeremy McConnell and the design team) presented the project and its refinements but did not deliver advocacy statements. They answered questions and invited further comments at the display tables after the meeting.

Main supportive arguments: None were delivered directly in support of the roundabout at this meeting. Staff emphasized that they had listened to the first public meeting and made design changes accordingly, which was presented as evidence of responsiveness rather than as an argument for the project's merit.

Project Details

Location / address: Doubletree Road from Grand River to Scottsdale Road, Paradise Valley, Arizona.
Applicant / town department: Town of Paradise Valley Community Development Department; Jeremy McConnell, Community Development Director and Capital Projects Manager.
Project type: Infrastructure—roundabout installation, sidewalk construction, bike lanes, landscaping, traffic calming.
Current cross-section → proposed: Standard arterial section with standard bike lanes (varying widths negotiated to minimize property impacts) and sidewalk added on south side.
Design elements: Roundabout at the primary intersection, six-foot and then narrowed bike lanes (final width not stated in transcript), three-foot sidewalk on south side, monument sign in median, new landscaping, traffic-calming measures.
General Plan Basis: The town's general plan for this section of road calls for minor-arterial treatment, which the project design reflects.
Schedule: Original proposal was October construction start (disrupting school year); revised to after holidays. Final approval vote November 15, 2018. Construction timeline not finalized as of the meeting.

Vote Breakdown

This meeting: No vote taken; presentation and public comment only.
Previous funding vote (design study): 5-4 in favor. One council member stated he did not vote for the funding but did not name individual votes.
Scheduled final vote: November 15, 2018 (not yet held).

Outcome & Next Steps

No final decision on project approval or denial was made at the September 17 meeting. Jeremy McConnell indicated that staff will finalize the design, contract documents, and construction schedule, with the expectation that the matter will return to the council for a final vote on November 15, 2018. The design team will remain available at the meeting for questions and feedback on the display plans.

One resident explicitly requested that the council postpone the vote by six weeks to allow time for re-evaluation; this request was not addressed by staff or council at the meeting. The project, as currently designed, is expected to move forward to the November 15 vote unless the council receives additional direction or new information prompts a delay.

Controversies & Context

The Doubletree Road roundabout project sits at the intersection of three town priorities: safety, beautification, and traffic management. Yet residents perceive a fundamental mismatch between the project's design and the road's actual problems.

The speeding and fatality history: Multiple residents referenced prior fatal accidents on Doubletree Road and observed chronic speeding (55–60+ mph) despite a 30 mph limit. They questioned whether a roundabout—which may actually increase driver distraction—is the right tool for a road plagued by excessive speed. One resident pointed to photo radar as a more effective deterrent and noted that Paradise Valley's use of photo radar had made her "a better driver." The implication was that the town should prioritize enforcement over infrastructure, or at least consider enforcement in tandem with the roundabout.

Tree and beautification concerns: The comparison to Madrid's recent beautification projects highlighted perceptions that Paradise Valley lacks either the budget or the commitment to execute landscaping at a comparable standard. One resident noted that trees planted decades earlier, when the canal was installed, have never been maintained or replaced, suggesting the town's follow-through on long-term beautification is poor. This casts doubt on promises that the roundabout project will result in durable, attractive greenery.

Drainage and infrastructure backlog: Several residents raised concerns about water pooling and drainage deficiencies in the Doubletree corridor. The implication was that the town should address these foundational problems before spending money on a roundabout. One resident framed it as a choice between fixing root causes (drainage, speed enforcement) and applying cosmetic fixes (beautification, roundabout).

Process and lock-in: At least one resident voiced frustration that the design-development process felt predetermined. Even though staff had incorporated some public feedback, the fundamental concept (a roundabout) was not up for reconsideration. She stated that the council members were "the people who really want to talk to" because they could still decide whether to proceed, but implied that the staff and design team were committed to the roundabout regardless of public sentiment.

Council division: The 5-4 funding vote from an earlier meeting indicated that the council itself was divided on whether to invest in the design study, much less the final project. This foreshadowed the possibility of another close vote in November.

Duration

This item (Doubletree Road roundabout): Approximately 60–90 minutes, including McConnell's presentation, public comment (15 speakers), and design team availability at display tables.
Total meeting: Approximately 2+ hours (not explicitly stated, but the transcript indicates this was the primary business and the meeting continued beyond the roundabout discussion).

Key Quotes

"We had originally proposed to go on the construction starting in October so we took a look at that and we're now proposing to start the project after the holidays." — Jeremy McConnell, Community Development Director and Capital Projects Manager

"I love problem it's normal I really do I like the way they function I think I've usually around and a lot of things I like and if they speed things up this is the last thing I do eat up you have more traffic coming through there's no doubt before going down in the one before come across still with me when it's easier to see the autocomplete don't bother so only that I really like I think there's a mistake here this the second thing is beautification and I'll tell you I live in RIT I'm looking for a sign expecting that but I look at Madrid so you're happy and what they've done with trees they're magnets they've put them on a regular basis you can walk down a sidewalk anywhere in Madrid you're in shape it's almost hot there that is here and so much a great is this like this effective treat on your side I would much rather spend the money on more trees on either side of the double tree and have beautiful trees and then save the money to actually been paint." — Resident, comparing Madrid's tree beautification to proposed Doubletree treatment

"I am a homeless but I will write two men loving local council people that is what there were three things that I wanted to support the tipping point it is all about first of all having photo radar on deviltry and made me clean far better driver if this was a month on and on this is a five-year chip I'm cleaning I used to get one regular bike people." — Resident, advocating for photo radar enforcement as a more effective safety tool

The September 17 meeting made clear that Paradise Valley residents and town staff are operating from different problem definitions: the town sees Doubletree Road as needing traffic calming and beautification via a roundabout, while many residents see it as needing speed enforcement and drainage fixes, with the roundabout as either irrelevant or counterproductive to those goals. The November 15 council vote will determine whether the project moves forward despite this mismatch in priorities.

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Source: Doubletree Ranch Road Public Meeting #2 — September 17, 2018. Auto-generated YouTube transcript; may contain transcription errors.

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we disagree matter be anything Germans and we're doing the project and staff and finish all of this up and I'm November 15 commanders but I have defined it's going to be some version of this and then you're going to have telling council members we will get it today that's a beautiful this time hunter important and if you have a roomful of people saying that's terrible that I can walking my kids my dog got heavier it will be impossible people to get for this department people well I'm just suggesting that we have a meeting priority to take a book and I'm 1/8 of hearing I can't call up Bill Buchanan's in there and the command manager and the speed of this project and what's going on right now we have to completely P we start this we're not in years council members that but we have like for something I've written about plan thing I'm not so I mean professionals like hear me say here's the project great what we're doing written exam and the best weekend of that to change this design and 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and I have to do this a lot of time and so it's nothing new and Greeks out taking on the pit but what I'm trying to get at is I agree with everyone here what you're saying I'm not impacted by the roundabout but I fully understand where you're coming from and I normally do like I'm about the taxes I don't like it where it's going to be nice to traffic and cause for concern and I know exactly what it is drive down that area and a lot of people come in to Papa so you know now you've given me like gold and you know that makes a little bit I think that's going to cause a problem by other than furnace and I think in resistance look at this the money spent on this project have that feed work on payments in intensity because I'm on the lot which there is full of water when you ever drive in that area after doing the next day you will get that full of water so I don't know you know part of the mutation sentence and for somehow that did manage to be in that area some people back here that say well we think the patient will bring it back to the low point where it was and long so forth well it's been my backwards Peters so I rather see from the Baptist I have food into that area I see it also in other areas so I'm like back in to that first rather than this project the other thing is about this tightness I'm an advocate I support but I also read up on the ponies on how to ride bike people on the different trees and II don't really follow the bike because I suppose really have both the Clark farming and the bike lane so they kind of take that advantage and said oh we're a group of bikes good we're going to spread it all out right now when I go down on the website of symmetry I can't avoid them coming back sit there into law school it's all the recruit right now the devices do not go into the bicycle link they say how high they can so mean by clicking the median are now going to have all the way that someone has said well you only ain't thinking the head of the thing by Moses 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